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Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 5:31:22 PM
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Longfingers1
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Some have wondered if Joe The Plumber really was concerned about the tax cut or just a "plant" to get a "gotcha" moment for Obama. Well according to the NYT...
One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest ranch house near Toledo thinking about how to expand his plumbing business. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block this weekend to ask about his taxes, he set himself on a path to being the newest media celebrity — and, like other celebrities, found himself under scrutiny.
Turns out that “Joe the Plumber,” as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate, may run a plumbing business but he is not a licensed plumber. His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes a bit in back taxes.
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 5:37:47 PM
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Oh wow, someone ask a serious queston of the 'Anointed One" and they become a plant.
It was never stated that he "Owned" a plumbing company, but works for one and was considering buying the company he worked for.
Seems the Obama "Death" attack squads are out in force.
If the NYT spent half as much time investigating Obama's ties to terrorist, crooks, communist, socialist and other nefarious folks as they did Joe the Plumber it would be nice.
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Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 5:57:53 PM
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Let's see... Obama selects a block and walks it. A man in that block asks a probing question and Obama muffs the answer.
So... now, the guy is a plant. Let's see... WHEN did he move into the house? Twenty minutes before the Great One walked down the street? The Great One's followers defenders will stoop at nothing to destroy anybody that tarnished their messiah's halo.
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"he set himself on a path to being the newest media celebrity — and, like other celebrities, found himself under scrutiny. "
It's NOT 'scrutiny'. It's DEMOLITION.
Oh, by the way, he asked a great question and one that the New York Times should have been asking if they weren't too busy slobbering at the feet of Obama. Joe might want to abandon the plumbing business and become a reporter. The country would be better for it. The ones that purport to be doing hat job sure aren't.
You sure were gleeful about the back taxes dig. Socialists are all for the little guy until the little guy starts asking tough questions. Then they are squashed like a bug.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 6:00:00 PM
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More leftist parania based on the inability of a liberal to contemplate anyone would disagree with Obamanism.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 6:17:41 PM
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FYI, he's been a plumber for 15 years and worked for this company, which he is planning to (or is in the process of) buy(ing) for the last 6 years. Being an employee of a licensed residential plumbing business in Ohio means he does not have to be licensed personally.
And the McCain campaign doesn't seem to be capable of something as conniving or clever as a plant. I wish.
They can't fathom why someone would not want to gladly hand over more of their hard earned dollars for the "common good" - now who's out of touch?
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 6:28:25 PM
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Oh wow, someone ask a serious queston of the 'Anointed One" and they become a plant.
People yell out kill him, terriorist, treason, traitor, and other craziness at the McCain/Palin rallies and you all assume they're a plant... umm... 
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 6:34:57 PM
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People yell out kill him,
This has already been debunked, but nice try...
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 6:44:53 PM
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Ok. I'll bite.
Let's see could a McCain supporter decide to go down to a rally and ask Obama a hard question face to face in a respectful manner and make him answer it. Very possible. I wish more people would hold Obama to answer the tough questions.
As for the other "plants" ....does the term trying to incite violence...and holding Obama to answering a hard question-- no comparison.
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 6:46:14 PM
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People yell out kill him,
This has already been debunked, but nice try...
Oops. Really NO COMPARSION.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 7:42:37 PM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 7:46:21 PM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past up turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Exactly that includes all spectrum of the media from Fox News to MSM and everything in between.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 8:10:14 PM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past up turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Exactly that includes all spectrum of the media from Fox News to MSM and everything in between.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/16/2008 8:17:06 PM
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Oh wow, someone ask a serious queston of the 'Anointed One" and they become a plant.
It was never stated that he "Owned" a plumbing company, but works for one and was considering buying the company he worked for.
Seems the Obama "Death" attack squads are out in force.
If the NYT spent half as much time investigating Obama's ties to terrorist, crooks, communist, socialist and other nefarious folks as they did Joe the Plumber it would be nice.
Thanks
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It was never stated that he "Owned" a plumbing company, but works for one and was considering buying the company he worked for.
I got the same story last night was I was visiting my step daughter, her husband the owner of the CO told me exactly the same story why his not voting for Mr Big Change, before I even heard of the plumber
Its amazing
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 8:17:29 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past up turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Exactly that includes all spectrum of the media from Fox News to MSM and everything in between.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
Repeating for emphasis. Joe the Plumber isn't running for POTUS, 0bama is and the MEDIA has failed to do its job and vet him fully.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/16/2008 10:28:44 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: StephK
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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1
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ORIGINAL: todd_t
I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past up turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Exactly that includes all spectrum of the media from Fox News to MSM and everything in between.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
Repeating for emphasis. Joe the Plumber isn't running for POTUS, 0bama is and the MEDIA has failed to do its job and vet him fully.
I hope more people will ask this question of the media. Seems pretty obvious to us common folks, you know the "Joe the Plumbers" of the world.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:54:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: StephK
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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1
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ORIGINAL: todd_t
I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past up turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Exactly that includes all spectrum of the media from Fox News to MSM and everything in between.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
The MEDIA should spend more time on Obama's background than some guy who ask a tough question -- it was a legitimate question no matter what they can dig up.
Repeating for emphasis. Joe the Plumber isn't running for POTUS, 0bama is and the MEDIA has failed to do its job and vet him fully.
I hope more people will ask this question of the media. Seems pretty obvious to us common folks, you know the "Joe the Plumbers" of the world.
Oh no the media is crucifying Joe the Plumber by releasing all of his personal information.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:58:35 AM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Yes, and let this be a lesson to anyone who dares to question Obama, only those who live spotless lives may address the The One.
It is amazing to me how quickly the left is embracing a thugocracy.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 3:35:02 AM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Yes, and let this be a lesson to anyone who dares to question Obama, only those who live spotless lives may address the The One.
It is amazing to me how quickly the left is embracing a thugocracy.
And if elected, those being too critical of "him" will find themselves face to face with an onslaught of IRS,BATFE etc etc audits and investigations.
I'll bet IRS audits and investigations will double under "his" administration. Kind of a Clinton tactic.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 8:16:53 AM
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And if elected, those being too critical of "him" will find themselves face to face with an onslaught of IRS,BATFE etc etc audits and investigations.
I'll bet IRS audits and investigations will double under "his" administration. Kind of a Clinton tactic.
The average American that just thinks of Obama and his 'change' in terms of 'hope' is going to be horrified by what they see unleashed after he is elected. The sharks are in the water and out of sight. But, with a radical socialist in the seat of the presidency and radical socialists dominating the Senate and House, things will quickly spiral out of control.
You see, this election, should Obama win, will be like a breach in a dam that unleashes the energy of all that water than has been held back by the dam. Anyone that has followed the left for any length of time realizes that they have been EXTREMELY frustrated by their failure to break out of the containment that has held them back all this time. When they finally break free they will be in a demon frenzy and will want everything they have always wanted RIGHT NOW!
I'm expecting something that most closely resembles the French Revolution where the annti-Christian leadership went from saying they wanted freedom from the aristocracy to a reign of tyranny that greatly outdid the tyranny of those they disposed. There is a pent up rage in the left that may be about to be unleashed.
The operative word stated by Obama in the last debate was 'fundamentals'... as in the 'fundamentals of our society must be changed'. The fundamental of our society is FREEDOM and yes, that is about to change under the dems and Obama.
Joe the Plumber may be the first of many if deception, lies and socialism prevails in this election.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 8:36:59 AM
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I'm expecting something that most closely resembles the French Revolution where the annti-Christian leadership went from saying they wanted freedom from the aristocracy to a reign of tyranny that greatly outdid the tyranny of those they disposed. There is a pent up rage in the left that may be about to be unleashed.
Whilst I agree with you in principal I am not sure that your fears will be overly experienced. Yeah, I am afraid of an Obama presidency along with an liberal leftist congress! HOWEVER, I have more faith in a) the constitution, b) the American People. The principals that set the United States of America in forward motion are still legitimate, valid and relevant. We are more than conquerors! and as it is in Romans 8:28- "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." This country and its foundation will prevail because God set it in motion and I don't think God is ready for it to be destroyed, I don't know, I'm not a profit but I can't see that happening!
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 8:42:14 AM
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To my last post, let me add: "Joe the plumber" is everyman who tries to get in on the American dream. He is just a man and average working class dude trying to make the best of his life and work hard to realize his dreams. It could have been Cindy the waitress wanting to buy her first restaurant, it could have been Mary the Mason opening up a brick laying company, what's the big deal on WHO he is as opposed to the message that everyone including the OBAMA CAMPAIGN is trying to avoid. SPREAD THE WEALTH.
Obama stated that he wants to be sure that every one that comes up behind Joe the Plumber has an opportunity, BUT WHAT ABOUT JOE THE PLUMBER OR CINDY OR MARY. See Joe isn't getting the help from the spread of wealth but those less deserving that Joe will be the ones to benefit the most from the HARD WORK that Joe has put in for the last 10 years working under an employer. CAN YOU LIBERALS GET THAT! OR NOT?????
EDIT- OOPS I meant Prophet. Yes, I do know how to schpell...
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 8:55:27 AM
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I'm expecting something that most closely resembles the French Revolution where the annti-Christian leadership went from saying they wanted freedom from the aristocracy to a reign of tyranny that greatly outdid the tyranny of those they disposed. There is a pent up rage in the left that may be about to be unleashed.
Whilst I agree with you in principal I am not sure that your fears will be overly experienced. Yeah, I am afraid of an Obama presidency along with an liberal leftist congress! HOWEVER, I have more faith in a) the constitution, b) the American People. The principals that set the United States of America in forward motion are still legitimate, valid and relevant. We are more than conquerors! and as it is in Romans 8:28- "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." This country and its foundation will prevail because God set it in motion and I don't think God is ready for it to be destroyed, I don't know, I'm not a profit but I can't see that happening!
I wish I could be this optimistic but I'm just not. You say you have faith in the Constitution - do you really think it can hold up under ever increasing attack from the left, one freedom at a time? I think it's been chipped away for years and could truly take a fatal blow with what's coming. And you say you have faith in the American people - are you serious!?!? Have you seen the polls? At least a full half of this country is running full bore straight to socialism and most of them are too stupid to even realize it. I really think God is letting us destroy ourselves.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 8:59:49 AM
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Have you seen the polls?
I don't believe the polls, they are driven by alot of other factors and some of those involving themselves in polls set up questions to reach a certain predetermined outcome. And to some degree those answering questions in the polls aren't always truthful and honest. And if God is, as you say, alowing us to destroy ourselves it is because there is a greater purpose that we may not yet see.
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