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ORIGINAL: IE_2009

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe

If you wish to beat yourself up over homosexuals and the church knock yourself out...

Beating myself up? For recognizing my sin and God's grace? For realizing that I'm no better than a homosexual, prostitute, liar or thief? For recognizing that I sometimes judge others? If you don't like my opinions, that's fine. But, please don't dismiss or minimize my personal walk with Christ, testimony or struggles.

1 Timothy 1:15-16
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life."

Romans 3:10
"What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;"

Romans 3:22-24
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe

... but its flat wrong to lump the church into some group of haters based on your opinion of the matter.

As it pertains to "lumping the church into some group of haters" I would appreciate that my opinions are not distorted to say something I did NOT say. I did not refer to the church as a group of haters. My post is clear and represents MY opinion of an issue I see the church facing today. The church is facing a struggle from within. We are finding ourselves focussing on the sins of this world (and hyper-focussed on some sins) vs. on the common and ignored sins we are facing within our own walls. Is everyone in the church guilty of this? No, that's not my view. If I've stated as such, that was in error and that was not my intent. But, are there significant problems the church (as a whole) needs to address? In my opinion, YES. That's my opinion and it doesn't bother me to say it. I know that some people will disagree. Let me be clear again, I don't exclude myself from the church and these common problems. I myself have my own sin issues and find myself falling short of my own desires. That's one reason I'm very thankful for God's grace.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
"I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside."

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ORIGINAL: davidn87

A pair of BBC articles;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10720924

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Gay and lesbian television portrayals criticised
Young people rarely see positive portrayals of lesbian and gay people on television, according to Stonewall.

A survey for the gay equality charity monitored more than 120 hours of programmes watched by the young.

It said gay people were mainly portrayed as promiscuous, predatory, or figures of fun.

Stonewall said homophobic bullying in schools was unsurprising when gay people were so often depicted on TV in a derogatory or demeaning way.
Continue reading the main story

The report, called Unseen on Screen, says ordinary gay people are almost invisible on the 20 programmes most watched by the young.

It says just 46 minutes out of 126 hours' output showed gay people positively and realistically.

“It's tragic that in 2010 broadcasters are still underserving young people in this way, particularly when young people themselves say they want to see real gay people's lives on TV” Ben Summerskill, Stonewall chief executive

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-10724202

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How TV's gay characters shape up
Television programmes have come under fire for failing to give positive portrayals of gay characters.

The gay equality organisation Stonewall concluded that most characters are promiscuous, predatory or figures of fun.

Here, we examine a selection of gay regulars in soap operas - the mainstay of TV drama.

TV critic Gareth McLean, who writes the Radio Times' weekly soap column, gives his assessment of each character and whether they add positive weight to the portrayal of gays on the small screen.

He says it is "pretty shoddy" that soap is the main place where we see gay people, because they tend to be "perpetually suffering or miserable".

Last italics are my own....

They've never seen Will & Grace...

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ORIGINAL: Marcus.

2 No interpretation is necessary. Its as clear as day and night. You might as well say the 10 commandments don't mean what they say they mean.

1 is possible because David reminds us: Psalms 32:1-2 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

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A lawsuit against Augusta State University in Georgia alleges school officials essentially gave a graduate student in counseling the choice of giving up her Christian beliefs or being expelled from the graduate program.

School officials Mary Jane Anderson-Wiley, Paulette Schenck and Richard Deaner demanded student Jen Keeton, 24, go through a "remediation" program after she asserted homosexuality is a behavioral choice, not a "state of being" as a professor said, according to the complaint.

Faculty members had demanded she "attend at least three workshops … which emphasize … diversity training sensitive toward working with GLBTQ populations." They also wanted her to "develop" her knowledge of homosexuality by reading 10 articles and increasing her exposure to homosexuals and lesbians by attending "the Gay Pride Parade."

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Another example of the power that the anti-Christian homosexuals hold in academia.

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A lawsuit against Augusta State University in Georgia alleges school officials essentially gave a graduate student in counseling the choice of giving up her Christian beliefs or being expelled from the graduate program.

School officials Mary Jane Anderson-Wiley, Paulette Schenck and Richard Deaner demanded student Jen Keeton, 24, go through a "remediation" program after she asserted homosexuality is a behavioral choice, not a "state of being" as a professor said, according to the complaint.

Faculty members had demanded she "attend at least three workshops … which emphasize … diversity training sensitive toward working with GLBTQ populations." They also wanted her to "develop" her knowledge of homosexuality by reading 10 articles and increasing her exposure to homosexuals and lesbians by attending "the Gay Pride Parade."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=182441

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ORIGINAL: cow451

It's funny how some hetero men seem to assume that every gay man has the hots for him.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

It's funny how some hetero men seem to assume that every gay man has the hots for him.

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!

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The moral decay within America's public university system continues, with an assist from a federal judge.

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That doesn't matter what the venue is.

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Should we allow other people to infringe on inalienable rights (such as the Bill of Rights) we fight and die over?

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Being a public state institution they no doubt would have the standard EEOC statements. Especially if they are receiving any federal funds. Which would mean they are breaking federal law and should realize that as well.

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Should we allow other people to infringe on inalienable rights (such as the Bill of Rights) we fight and die over? This is America and freedom of religion was one of the reasons so many came to this country. To allow institutions to dictate to private citizens that they must give up a God-given right in order to join is unAmerican and makes the sacrifices of those before us a waste. I for one won't stand for it after serving myself. It makes my sacrifice in service worthless.

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ORIGINAL: Marcus.

Should we allow other people to infringe on inalienable rights (such as the Bill of Rights) we fight and die over? This is America and freedom of religion was one of the reasons so many came to this country. To allow institutions to dictate to private citizens that they must give up a God-given right in order to join is unAmerican and makes the sacrifices of those before us a waste. I for one won't stand for it after serving myself. It makes my sacrifice in service worthless.

I appreciate the delimma for the student and the issue of individual liberty. But counseling isn't plumbing. It's one of the "helping" professions. Especially in training, it concerns me that she was unwilling to serve anyone in need of counseling. Should we allow nurses to refuse to treat homosexuals needing medical care? Should we allow teachers to refuse teaching children of homosexual couples?

If she is unwilling to help someone, then she chose the wrong field.

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No one is talking about that. That wasn't what the article was about either.

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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No one is talking about that. That wasn't what the article was about either.

Nobody's saying it was the subject of the article - but it's a natural question to follow up with. If counselors in a secular work environment (not sure if this student was looking to go into a secular field of Christian field - that would, of course, change the situation) can choose who to say no to, why not a doctor, a police officer, a soldier?

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I'm not following you off on a tangent. This isn't pertinent to this discussion.