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ORIGINAL: bettymackII

I have been doing some research on this Margaret Macdonald.She was never a member of Edward Irving's church and I have not found anywhere that she ever attended his church.

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ORIGINAL: DanBryan

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ORIGINAL: bettymackII

I have been doing some research on this Margaret Macdonald.She was never a member of Edward Irving's church and I have not found anywhere that she ever attended his church.

Here is an indication that Margaret did attend the Irving's church.
If I find more I will let you know.
You will see a reference in the 3rd paragraph.
http://roxborogh.com/1830charismatics.htm
Thanks,
dan

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As early as the 1740's Edwards was espousing a pre-tribulational viewpoint in his writings about eschatology. The difference in his view and the modern Pre-Trib concept is that he believed the Rapture would occur in the middle of Daniel's 70th week, about 3 1/2 years before the Second Coming."

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ORIGINAL: stolar1962

to bad you ignore that the rapture concept predates Darby and MacDonald
an article from lamblion.com on the origins of pretrib rapture:

The Origin of the Concept of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
From Man or the Bible?
by Dr. David R. Reagan

Paul N. Benware, in his book, Understanding End Times Prophecy, notes that many writers in the 17th and 18th Centuries began to speak of a Rapture separate and apart from the Second Coming:3

"Peter Jurieu in his book, Approaching Deliverance of the Church (1687) taught that Christ would come in the air to rapture the saints and return to Heaven before the battle of Armageddon... Philip Doddridge's commentary on the New Testament (1738) and John Gill's commentary on the New Testament (1748) both use the term rapture and speak of it as imminent. It is clear these men believed that this coming will precede Christ's descent to the earth and the time of judgment. The purpose was to preserve believers from the time of judgment. James Macknight (1763) and Thomas Scott (1792) taught that the righteous will be carried to heaven, where they will be secure until the time of judgment is over."

Tommy Ice, the director of the Pre-Trib Research Center, asserts that the first person to spell out in detail the idea that the Rapture would occur before the Tribulation begins was a Baptist leader named Morgan Edwards.4 This remarkable man was born in Wales and preached at churches in England and Ireland before emigrating to the United States in 1761 to become pastor of a church in Philadelphia. He proceeded to become the founder of Brown University and was recognized as the leading Baptist historian of his day.

As early as the 1740's Edwards was espousing a pre-tribulational viewpoint in his writings about eschatology. The difference in his view and the modern Pre-Trib concept is that he believed the Rapture would occur in the middle of Daniel's 70th week, about 3 1/2 years before the Second Coming."



one more historiclal reference is Ephraim the Syrain - a letter attributed to hem displayed the pretrib concept in the 4th century. there is some controversy as to the real author, and the time frame is anywhere from the 4th to the 6th centuries, over 1,000 years before Darby.

Pre Trib rapture and millennianism almost vanished from the scene due to a switch in intrepretive methods from literal to allegorical. The allegorical/spiritual method was supreme until the puritans started using literal interpretation again .