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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:11:46 PM
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tracydolls
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There's a lot less biblical real estate dedicated to the Israelites' 400 years of slavery than there is of God telling them to get their act together afterward. Repeatedly.
Just sayin...
So we should skip over the real estate that is dedicated to it?
Just sayin...
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:12:43 PM
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Can you show me where it says because she was Black?
Well, for one thing, "Cush" means "black" in ancient hebrew according to most sources I can find.
Otherwise, it's well-known that Cush was one of the earliest African kingdoms.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:14:49 PM
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Because I'm trying to find out why skin color is such a problem for so many people.
Can I ask you the same?
You mean you don't know why skin color is an issue with so many people?
In my first post here I asked the question that since God's Word doesn't bring up the issue of skin color, why do we?
I am still confused as to why so many people focus on the outside when God focuses on the heart.
I personally believe that if we as Christians were to focus on the faithfulness of God instead of the faithlessness of other people, skin color would no longer be an issue.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:23:26 PM
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Well, for one thing, "Cush" means "black" in ancient hebrew according to most sources I can find.
Otherwise, it's well-known that Cush was one of the earliest African kingdoms.
I always thought it was a cultural thing. She was not an Israelite.
And if Miriam was turned white for punishment, what color was she?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:27:15 PM
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In my first post here I asked the question that since God's Word doesn't bring up the issue of skin color, why do we?
I don't quite know where your first post is but what answers did you get?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:31:46 PM
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In my first post here I asked the question that since God's Word doesn't bring up the issue of skin color, why do we?
I don't quite know where your first post is but what answers did you get?
I didn't see anyone directly answer the question. I'm still confused about the whole thing.
I'm sure that some of my posts have seemed adversarial in nature. They're not intended to be so. I am honestly looking for an understanding here.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:34:25 PM
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There's a lot less biblical real estate dedicated to the Israelites' 400 years of slavery than there is of God telling them to get their act together afterward. Repeatedly.
Just sayin...
So we should skip over the real estate that is dedicated to it?
Just sayin...
I think the point was that we should keep our focus the same as what it is in the bible. God moved on and started getting the Israelites ready for the challenges that were ahead. He was specifically angered when they tried to live in the past.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 7:59:23 PM
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So you're wanting us to ask for forgiveness again after you've given it? And you did say it's forgiven BTW.
Wait where did you get that? huh? Say again? In THIS post you said it and in THIS post I quoted you.
You said, "Personally, from me FORGIVEN". Did that mean that you've forgiven us? If not, what did you mean?
I just love the way stuff like this gets totally ignored! Guess that's your answer, then.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 8:34:57 PM
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I didn't see anyone directly answer the question. I'm still confused about the whole thing.
I'm sure that some of my posts have seemed adversarial in nature. They're not intended to be so. I am honestly looking for an understanding here.
If you did'nt get an answer, what were you responding to in a adversarial way?
What are you looking for an understanding of?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 8:49:15 PM
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I think the point was that we should keep our focus the same as what it is in the bible. God moved on and started getting the Israelites ready for the challenges that were ahead. He was specifically angered when they tried to live in the past.
But they were told to remember how God brought them out. Never not tell the whole story. Passover?
To deal with this racism in this country, going on now. We have to tell the whole story. It started with a ship of Africans a Dutch ship in 1620.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 8:53:55 PM
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And if Miriam was turned white for punishment, what color was she?
Well, I would expect that she looked very similar to most of the ethnically Jewish and middle-eastern people, namely, brown skinned.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:07:48 PM
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Well, I would expect that she looked very similar to most of the ethnically Jewish and middle-eastern people, namely, brown skinned.
Brown skinned like me a black person?
Most scholars already agree, during Moses and Miriams time, they were Black, it was 1000's of years BEFORE the Greeks and Romans took over Egypt. If we started out brown skinned, how did we get really dark black people?
Doesnt make sense.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:12:01 PM
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Makes as much sense as how we got really white people.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:16:20 PM
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Most scholars already agree, during Moses and Miriams time, they were Black, it was 1000's of years BEFORE the Greeks and Romans took over Egypt. If we started out brown skinned, how did we get really dark black people?
On the other hand, if everyone was black, how did we get whites? So, that's kind of a ridiculous argument.
We can tell there were brown-skinned but not black people in the middle east at that time, all we have to do is look at the Egyptian paintings. They even painted the Hebrew slaves.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:16:24 PM
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Makes as much sense as how we got really white people.
albinoism, leperosy, a mutant gene as DNA has found.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:18:20 PM
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*Sigh* Albino and caucasian are not the same thing.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:25:19 PM
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I think the point was that we should keep our focus the same as what it is in the bible. God moved on and started getting the Israelites ready for the challenges that were ahead. He was specifically angered when they tried to live in the past.
But they were told to remember how God brought them out. Never not tell the whole story. Passover?
To deal with this racism in this country, going on now. We have to tell the whole story. It started with a ship of Africans a Dutch ship in 1620.
Then why not tell the whole story? I've heard so much about the racism from whites. Why not tell about white people that stood up against slavery and risked their freedom, their families and their lives? What about white people that helped slaves escape the evils of being owned by another human also risking it all?
I've seen the talk (not just here) about how whites are racist. That's painting with a broad brush. It's also racist.
According to dictionary.com racism is defined as, discrimination or prejudice based on race. So when it's said that whites are racist without any qualifiers concerning character, that's a racist statement. Period.
No, I'm not calling anyone racist. But if my above statement upsets you, there may be a reason.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:32:20 PM
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Ahhh LOL
The Bible, the verse that was just quoted.
Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
Here's the scientist saying a mutant gene
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728_pf.html
""The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned."""
Put it all together now. When God made some people white or leperous, eventually they moved toward Europe, procreated, which gave birth to Europeans. The people Rome found in the caves of Caucasia.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:37:29 PM
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Well, I would expect that she looked very similar to most of the ethnically Jewish and middle-eastern people, namely, brown skinned.
Brown skinned like me a black person?
Most scholars already agree, during Moses and Miriams time, they were Black, it was 1000's of years BEFORE the Greeks and Romans took over Egypt. If we started out brown skinned, how did we get really dark black people?
Doesnt make sense.
"Most scholars" usually means a majority of scholars; however, in all of my studies I have yet to find any scholar who holds this opinion. Exactly which scholars have come to this conclusion??????
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:40:19 PM
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Then why not tell the whole story? I've heard so much about the racism from whites. Why not tell about white people that stood up against slavery and risked their freedom, their families and their lives? What about white people that helped slaves escape the evils of being owned by another human also risking it all?
Why did'nt you bring that up instead of being adversarial?
That is part of the story. William Garrison? someone like that? Sure, we can talk about them also. OK.
Let's talk.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:41:40 PM
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God gave Miriam a disease...He didn't make her white (Caucasian).
I'll have to look more into that article. I have difficulty with anything that says humans were around 50,000 years ago. But that's just me.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:42:32 PM
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"Most scholars" usually means a majority of scholars; however, in all of my studies I have yet to find any scholar who holds this opinion. Exactly which scholars have come to this conclusion??????
So you have never came across a scholar that believe the Egyptians were Black, OK.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:46:00 PM
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So you have never came across a scholar that believe the Egyptians were Black, OK.
I've come across scholars who state that there was a black dynasty of pharaohs, but none that would say that all Egyptians were black. Quite the contrary. Tomb paintings BY the Egyptians depicting their own skin would indicate that they were brown-skinned, and would indicate that those that archaeologists believe are depictions of Israelite slaves are also brown-skinned.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:47:18 PM
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"Most scholars" usually means a majority of scholars; however, in all of my studies I have yet to find any scholar who holds this opinion. Exactly which scholars have come to this conclusion??????
So you have never came across a scholar that believe the Egyptians were Black, OK.
Some Egyptians, Yes, but all Egyptians, NO! Most scholars are very aware that different Egyptian dynasties came from different races. Egypt because of it's importation of so many people from the surrounding nations was quite mixed.
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