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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 4/1/2009 5:10:18 PM
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GraceyGirl
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Figured I'd ask this question in here....
If I have to be induced (either due to fetal assessment saying I need to from going overdue, or from water breaking and nothing happening - iow a medical reason) - would it be better to induce by breaking the waters or by pitocin?
I've always been induced with pitocin. With my 1st my water had broken completely and nothing happened. I was induced with pitocin after 8 hrs. After a about 8 hrs of that I got an epidural which worked very well! 6 hrs later I started pushing, 2 hrs later we had our baby.
But with #2 and #3 I only had a leak to start. Again was induced with pitocin because contractions had not started yet. Hours later when my water DID finally break in full - I went from 3cm - 10 cm in an hour.
So - with the previous 2 labours under consideration - I was wondering if breaking my waters would jumpstart things enough that I wouldn't need pitocin. And would that be better?
I was "induced" with my last pregnancy at the birth center, and it was totally natural!
We used the breast pump which stimulates contractions. That was all it took for me.
The next natural step was to empty to bowels - I won't go into detail about that here, but quick evacuation also stimulates contractions.
It might not sound very pleasent (the latter) but think about it - it's lots more pleseant than the alternative.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/2/2009 7:36:30 PM
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Ok....so ladies who have had epidurals.....How did you feel about being stuck in bed? Was the pain relief worth it? I'd LOVE to have one when it is time but I am a tad ADHD and I may not like being in bed that long. Any thoughts?
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/2/2009 7:40:09 PM
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OK....so ladies who have had epidurals.....How did you feel about being stuck in bed? Was the pain relief worth it? I'd LOVE to have one when it is time but I am a tad ADHD and I may not like being in bed that long. Any thoughts?
I went into labor with my youngest on a Friday afternoon. Sunday evening I was begging for anything! I was so tired of being in labor. It helped me to sleep. When it came time to deliver her, I was much better rested and able to focus on the delivery.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/2/2009 8:03:11 PM
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Ok....so ladies who have had epidurals.....How did you feel about being stuck in bed? Was the pain relief worth it? I'd LOVE to have one when it is time but I am a tad ADHD and I may not like being in bed that long. Any thoughts?
I had one with my second child. I wanted an epidural (a) because other pain relief hadn't suited me (I react badly to demerol) in the past and (b) because I'd had a Caesarean first time round, and though I was trying for a VBAC, having the epidural in place would have at least made it easier for them to act quickly if I'd needed another.
I had hired a TENS machine, so had had some pain relief at home for 2 days before I decided to go in. (I had a 3 day on-off labour with my first baby, and was expecting the same with my second). I went in at 6am on the Sunday, having been in painful labour for a few hours at home. I was in a lot of pain. I went a bit lightheaded when the epidural was put in, which wasn't very nice, but as soon as it "took", it was wonderful and I slept for 3 hours - just what I needed!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/2/2009 8:09:50 PM
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I got induced after 4 days at home laboring. A few hours after morphine IV they wanted to start pitocin so I got the epidural to combat the pain from pitocin and labor overall.
It worked for a few hours then failed in my back and stomach. Couldn't feel my legs but could feel contractions. Found out later it may not have been in deep enough.
Not to be a downer but to offer another perspective.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/2/2009 9:02:49 PM
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I got induced after 4 days at home laboring. A few hours after morphine IV they wanted to start pitocin so I got the epidural to combat the pain from pitocin and labor overall.
It worked for a few hours then failed in my back and stomach. Couldn't feel my legs but could feel contractions. Found out later it may not have been in deep enough.
Not to be a downer but to offer another perspective.
Mine only worked for 3 hours then only half-worked. They topped it up but it still only took down one side, so I felt all the contractions down one side of my body, and yet couldn't get up.
It was *STILL* worth it IMO to have had the 3 hours' sleep, as it enabled me to get to over 6cm dilated whilst fast asleep and not feeling any pain.
Doing it without any pain relief would have been beyond what I could take, and demerol messed with my head (without providing pain relief) so there really would have been nothing else except having a general anaesthetic and a Caesarean. As it is, the 3 hr sleep gave me strength and I'm grateful that the epidural even just gave me that.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/2/2009 9:35:08 PM
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I had the most wonderful Epi ever. Seriously, it was great. I slept, played some card games with DH, watched TV, slept, slept, slept, lol. I couldn't move my legs very well, but at that point I didn't care. I did have some trouble with it after about 12 hours, so they did a new one. Looking back I was just in transition since it was only about 2 hours after the new one that I started pushing. I did have them turn it off so I could push, I had no pain killers for that portion of labor.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/7/2009 11:54:28 AM
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I had the most wonderful Epi ever. Seriously, it was great. I slept, played some card games with DH, watched TV, slept, slept, slept, lol. I couldn't move my legs very well, but at that point I didn't care. I did have some trouble with it after about 12 hours, so they did a new one. Looking back I was just in transition since it was only about 2 hours after the new one that I started pushing. I did have them turn it off so I could push, I had no pain killers for that portion of labor.
I was probably thinking of you when I packed cards and DVD's. 
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Ok....so ladies who have had epidurals.....How did you feel about being stuck in bed? Was the pain relief worth it? I'd LOVE to have one when it is time but I am a tad ADHD and I may not like being in bed that long. Any thoughts?
I got the epidural, but didn't realize what point I was at or I would have gone without it. I would have been in bed after that point anyway, because I immediately started pushing. Since I got it so late, it didn't really work that well. But, the small bit I did have was GREAT. Made me want more of that for the next time. Honestly, I should have just not gotten it. I threw up literally right before the CRNA came to put it in...uhm, yeah....TRANSITION! But I wasn't thinking at that point about how close I was.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/18/2009 6:05:48 PM
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Just thought that christstar might like post here when she is able, and that HomeGrownKids might like to read/post here about elective (planned) C-sections!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 2:41:43 PM
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I know! I wonder if there will be some "major advance" in gyne/maternal medicine that will involve zippers.
I am finding myself getting annoyed with women who head into first time labor saying they intend to avoid all drugs so far as they can bear it. It should NOT annoy me as it was EXACTLY what I said going into things the first time around. It bothers me because I think it is a little twisted that anyone would head into a major medical event (is that what birth is or at least what it has become?) saying "no anesthesia please". I mean, would you ever have a tooth pulled or have any kind of painful medical event (passing kidney stones, getting a colonoscopy, whatever) WITHOUT pain killers? WHY would you do that??? So you could say proudly later "yes, I had my gum implants without any drugs ..." or whatever. I have friends who say they want to try it "to see if they can do it". Like it is a badge of honor to suffer. It is out of the question to have a cesarean birth without anesthesia but the pain would probably be a solid "ten" so possibly the same intensity as natural vaginal birth? Somehow, the pain associated with the ripping of vaginas and prying apart of pelvic bones is "acceptable" while that of getting sliced open is not.
I'm just being irritable. Probably because I am so far down the cesarean garden path that alternatives are just not practical. I am likely a little bitter.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 2:54:10 PM
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You do sound a tad bitter (said in all love, DH said the same thing to me the other day)
I am a HUGE proponent of natural birth and labor, homebirth is far safer for the majority of women. It is not, nor does it have to be a major medical event for the average woman.
However, I am NOT on of those women, lol. I have to be induced, was last time and will be again with my next pregnancy. If I could handle induction pain naturally then I would, but I can't so I'll take my epidural thankyouverymuch.
Do you think your upset that it didn't work for you the first time and maybe that's why it bothers you to hear other women talk abotu it?
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 3:13:26 PM
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I get so annoyed with the idea that being able to cope with excruciating pain is somehow virtuous and "better". It is not!
Anyway, yes, am bitter. All of my births are major medical events ... I try to take solace in the fact that my doctors are "in control" from start to finish. I mean, in that they can plan to give me an epi at 1pm, start the incision at 1:04pm, tug the little one out ten or so minutes later, have me safely in recovery a half hour afterward, etc etc. I realize that the "control" is truly an illusion as only God knows the ultimate outcome of my event. It DOES feel good, though, upfront, knowing how in "all likelihood" things will go. Let's pray they DO go that way  . I am not above telling you that moments before all of this sureity occurs, I will likely be scared out of my mind.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 3:21:06 PM
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Oh, can I also say that I feel modern medicine has totally hijacked what should be and can be a very straightforward event (birth). I understand why ... childbirth used to be deadly but I feel the medical community has taken advantage of that and overstepped its bounds in so many ways. For example "not allowing" women to go past their due dates ... absurdity! I mean, 40 weeks is recognized by virtually everyone as an AVERAGE. Meaning some babies "need less" time, some more. What is this all knowing aspect of medicine that feels so confident stepping in to end a natural process that has been (apparently) successful for however many thousands of years (by their count, MILLIONS of years). It is just annoying and I think that women have gone along with way too much.
For example, I had my first cesarean because my impatient (male) OB decided to dope me up on pitocin in the middle of what was probably a very normal first birth experience ... I was in labor for six hours and 2.5 cms ... the dosage he chose was very high and resulted in my baby encountering "fetal distress" ... I was rushed into the O.R. for an emergency C. I'm glad for all of that now, as I don't think my personality is well suited to the alternative, but I can see it was totally WRONG how John and I blindly accepted the advice of one ninny doctor which led to all kinds of medical issues for me. Aurgh.
Dial. Down. Pregnancy. Hormones.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 3:40:07 PM
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I get so annoyed with the idea that being able to cope with excruciating pain is somehow virtuous and "better". It is not!
It doesn't make any woman greater then another, but less interventions(and thus a more natural birth) is better in general especially when it comes to preventing c-sections. Prevention of c-sections should really be paramount since our section rate is on the rise and VBAC's are being denied more and more of the malpractice risk.
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Hazel, I deal with women's medicine quite a bit, and I end up talking to women who have all different kinds of experiences.
I've met a few who wanted drugs (they were having vaginal deliveries), but they were subsequently guilted out of what they wanted to do. However, after the fact, many said they wouldn't do it again that way (they'd take the drugs or have a C-section). I think women who want certain things, or have to have certain things done (I'm assuming you have to have a C-section because that would be safer for the both of you) just have to start ignoring some people and be on their merry way.  As long as you have the welfare of the little one and yourself in mind in everything you choose, no one should make you feel guilty or less-than unless it's a gross wisdom lapse that will likely kill one of you.
That's true, but I think it's ok to be upset with being pushed into making medical decisions that lead to having a c-section. Giving birth is an incredibly emotional process and it's normal, and ok to have some feelings of loss or even disappointment about the way things ended.
I didn't so much get that Lisa was being made to feel guilty, but that she gets frustrated with woman who want a natural birth. It seems to me, having dealt with that frustration and disappointment that a good amount of it could stem from her poor experience with her first birth.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 3:52:10 PM
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That's true, but I think it's ok to be upset with being pushed into making medical decisions that lead to having a c-section. Giving birth is an incredibly emotional process and it's normal, and ok to have some feelings of loss or even disappointment about the way things ended
I agree. Yes, the baby and mama being healthy are paramount. But it's not fair to make a woman feel bad for feeling bad about the way the birth went. 
As a woman who has gone the natural route I do want to say that doing it without meds is not an issue of "honor" or pride or anything else with me. Quite frankly, if I was set on a cozy experience, from other local people's descriptions I would have done better to go to a different hospital, have an epidural, light some candles, and play some nice music.  My decisions were made on the basis of what I know about birth, what I believe to be healthiest for me and the baby...and my experience was *anything* but cozy and home like because i had to fight for that choice. Are there arrogant women in the natural birth realm? Sure. There are also some on the other side of the fence. We need to be careful not to read into someone's advocacy or telling of their experience something that they didn't put there. And yes, I have been guilty of doing that myself.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 5:23:25 PM
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Congratulations, Lisa!
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It bothers me because I think it is a little twisted that anyone would head into a major medical event (is that what birth is or at least what it has become?) saying "no anesthesia please". I mean, would you ever have a tooth pulled or have any kind of painful medical event (passing kidney stones, getting a colonoscopy, whatever) WITHOUT pain killers? WHY would you do that??? So you could say proudly later "yes, I had my gum implants without any drugs ..." or whatever.
I was one of those first time mothers who might have annoyed you. Before I had my baby I was, of course, totally clueless about what the experience would be like. However, even then, one of the thoughts I grabbed hold of and hung onto is that birth pangs, although painful, are not the same as other kinds of pain. A toothache or the agony of a kidney stone are telling you that something is wrong. But birth pangs happen because the body is preparing to bring forth a baby. In other words, the pain is because something good is going on.
I guess some might rubbish such thinking as a form of self-hypnosis or self-delusion, but it really worked for me and helped me through the birth.
Our decision to have a natural birth was not because I'm some sort of super tough Rambo-mama who wanted to prove a point, but because after all our research, we genuinely believed that it would be the least risky path for me and our baby. Our prayer was for as little medical intervention as possible, but we were fully ready to accept interventions if I or our baby was at risk.
In the interest of full disclosure, I'll freely admit that I had it easier than very many women. God in His mercy granted me a very short labour -- just five hours, and I didn't even realise I was in labour until an hour and a half into it. The very painful part lasted two hours or so. If I had had a 28-hour labour I might have opted for a painkiller so I could have a rest.
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It is out of the question to have a cesarean birth without anesthesia but the pain would probably be a solid "ten" so possibly the same intensity as natural vaginal birth? Somehow, the pain associated with the ripping of vaginas and prying apart of pelvic bones is "acceptable" while that of getting sliced open is not.
As I tried to say earlier (don't know if I succeeded in expressing it), labour pangs for me were a very different quality of pain. That's why it's more "acceptable", as you put it.
I don't know how it is for other people, but I have both read and experienced that the pressure of the baby's head on the vagina has a numbing effect, so tearing doesn't hurt as much as one might imagine. I had a very large tear and didn't even realise it while it was happening. I said in another thread that although I went through the labour without painkillers, I was very vocal and eager in requesting them for the stitching afterwards, and for the post-birth cramps.
Maybe there are women who want to prove their own toughness by giving birth without the benefit of painkillers. But I think you'll find that there are many more who simply want the best for themselves and their babies -- just like those who decide to take painkillers for exactly the same reason.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/3/2009 6:05:42 PM
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It bothers me because I think it is a little twisted that anyone would head into a major medical event (is that what birth is or at least what it has become?) saying "no anesthesia please".
I think this is one of the main bones of contention actually. Birth can *become* a medical event, in which case I would say "drug me up before you cut, please!". But it is not always that way, and occasionally it is pushed in that direction when it doesn't have to be.
Believe me, I ask for drugs when I'm getting my teeth drilled and filled. Birth was just a totally different world for me, which is why I don't think I was insane to not use meds or to want them.
Btw, I love that you are willing to call your doctor a ninny. All the OB's I had were ninnies, alas. I wish my parents could have been the backup doctors for my births. They are awesome docs!
{{{{Hazel}}}} It sounds like you have had a really rough time when it comes to birth, and I don't blame you at all for having conflicted feelings, or even anger. 
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