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RE: War in Iraq - 8/7/2008 11:59:35 AM
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stamper_ben
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I just want to know what happened to the search for the person behind 9/11 (Osama bin Laden).
My sentiments, exactly!
I thought he was being put up as a house guest of the Cheney's in Wyoming. We can only hope Dick invites him to go hunting with him.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/9/2008 1:31:40 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: mrsrevbob4god
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I just want to know what happened to the search for the person behind 9/11 (Osama bin Laden).
My sentiments, exactly!
I thought he was being put up as a house guest of the Cheney's in Wyoming. We can only hope Dick invites him to go hunting with him.
Close -
He's a guest of Pervez Musharraf at a chateau in the Khyber Pass.
It's a mountain resort over-run by ruthless thieves, whereas Jackson Hole Wyoming.......
Nevermind.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/9/2008 1:06:45 PM
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Just wanted to drop by and tell you folks that the violence is down in Baghdad due to ethnic cleansing and due to the fact that Baghdad is now a city of huge blast walls separating one neighborhood from another.
Kinda makes ya think - an Arab city under foreign military occupation divided within itself by barriers reminiscent of the walls erected by Israeli authorities in Palestine. I mean, won't that perhaps make America look bad?
Then again when did Americans ever care what foreigners thought of us, even those whose countries the leaders of Americans militarily invade under false pretenses.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/11/2008 6:49:50 PM
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RichLP
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Iraq demands 'clear timeline' for US troop withdrawal
Um... so what's with the 16-month-withdrawal plan being "defeat?"
I mean, let's look at the facts here.
1. Prowar/proBush/anti-timetable folks say we are winning and we will win and that part of victory includes a democratic Iraq.
2. Iraq has an elected government and this gov't wants this clear timeline.
3. So if we refuse to accept their demands, then we're not dealing with them as equals, right? We're rather imposing ourselves, which is what the colonizers and imperialists of yesteryear did.
4. Then if that's the case, Iraqi democracy and sovereignty means nothing to us, right?
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 2:31:49 AM
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henny
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Anyone heard about this?
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A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.
Suskind writes in “The Way of the World,” to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery – adamantly denied by the White House – was designed to portray a false link between Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.
The author also claims that the Bush administration had information from a top Iraqi intelligence official “that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion.”
The letter’s existence has been reported before, and it had been written about as if it were genuine. It was passed in Baghdad to a reporter for The (London) Sunday Telegraph who wrote about it on the front page of Dec. 14, 2003, under the headline, “Terrorist behind September 11 strike ‘was trained by Saddam.’”
The Telegraph story by Con Coughlin (which, coincidentally, ran the day Hussein was captured in his “spider hole”) was touted in the U.S. media by supporters of the war, and he was interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press."
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The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001,” Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12308.html
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 4:57:38 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: henny
Anyone heard about this?
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A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.
Suskind writes in “The Way of the World,” to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery – adamantly denied by the White House – was designed to portray a false link between Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.
The author also claims that the Bush administration had information from a top Iraqi intelligence official “that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion.”
The letter’s existence has been reported before, and it had been written about as if it were genuine. It was passed in Baghdad to a reporter for The (London) Sunday Telegraph who wrote about it on the front page of Dec. 14, 2003, under the headline, “Terrorist behind September 11 strike ‘was trained by Saddam.’”
The Telegraph story by Con Coughlin (which, coincidentally, ran the day Hussein was captured in his “spider hole”) was touted in the U.S. media by supporters of the war, and he was interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press."
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The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001,” Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12308.html
Sounds like it was our Uncle Dick -
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/08/07/suskind-revisited/
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/09/tape-top-cia-official-confesses-to-911-iraq-war-forgery-came-from-white-house
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/11/10330/2832/375/566096
may he roast on a slow spit.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 9:11:19 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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Other.
We are in Iraq because Bush 43 had to play with his toy soldiers AND upstage his Dad, Bush 41. And because milling around in Afghanistan - you know, where the ACTUAL 911 perps were hiding out - didn't promise to be spectacular enough.
This is an ego trip, nothing more - and we have 4000 dead and thousands crippled because 43 couldn't tell where his ego ended and reality begins.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 9:14:57 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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Iraq demands 'clear timeline' for US troop withdrawal
Um... so what's with the 16-month-withdrawal plan being "defeat?"
I mean, let's look at the facts here.
1. Prowar/proBush/anti-timetable folks say we are winning and we will win and that part of victory includes a democratic Iraq.
2. Iraq has an elected government and this gov't wants this clear timeline.
3. So if we refuse to accept their demands, then we're not dealing with them as equals, right? We're rather imposing ourselves, which is what the colonizers and imperialists of yesteryear did.
4. Then if that's the case, Iraqi democracy and sovereignty means nothing to us, right?
I believe you have it summed up neatly.
Iraqi democracy was a fine talking point for Bush and his gang to use as an excuse to occupy the place.
Too bad the Iraqis didn't get the memo, took him seriously, and went ahead and developed their democracy. They weren't supposed to do that.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 12:45:56 PM
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tafkam
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Good to know SwedishCovenant is well versed in the DNC/MoveOn.org talking points.
This gets boring after a while...
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 2:15:14 PM
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RichLP
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Good to know SwedishCovenant is well versed in the DNC/MoveOn.org talking points.
This gets boring after a while...
I always find it funny people like you mention "DNC talking points" repeatedly yet offer absolutely no refutation to the fact-based arguments made here. One time in fact you said the claim 600,000 Iraqi civilians had been killed had been debunked on several occasions - and when I called on you to provide validation you never did.
Sadly, the destruction and suffering endured by Iraqis isn't funny.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/12/2008 3:05:55 PM
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tafkam
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And the claims of 600,000 dead civilians usually come from leftist websites...your point?
You know as well as I do that the number of casualities varies from source to source.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/17/2008 7:14:03 PM
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gmc4Jesus
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600,000 dead? I don't know how big their "army" was but it isn't as big now.
Regardless of the number and whether it can be proven, the people of the United States have not experienced any terrorist activity on our soil since the war in Iraq. The American soldier casualties, while more that we prefer to experience, is the lowest of any war we have ever fought. Compare this war's casualties to Viet Nam, Korea, the Civil War, etc.
I think a more important point is that:
1. We are less threatened by terrorism.
2 The people of Iraq are experiencing a greater freedom, prosperity and future than they ever had before.
3. American casualties today are almost zero, yet we are still bringing peace and civility and training Iraqi police to put aside religioius or sect differences and stand up for rule of law.
End result, Iraq will be better when we have finally left, than before we came.
May God bless all who stand for the peace that we have in Jesus Christ, even in the midst of conflict, trial and war.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/18/2008 9:42:37 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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600,000 dead? I don't know how big their "army" was but it isn't as big now.
Might want to read one of the links - civilian deaths
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Regardless of the number and whether it can be proven, the people of the United States have not experienced any terrorist activity on our soil since the war in Iraq. The American soldier casualties, while more that we prefer to experience, is the lowest of any war we have ever fought. Compare this war's casualties to Viet Nam, Korea, the Civil War, etc.
We no longer have '60s, '50s, 1860s or ect. equipment or medical care for our military.
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ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus
I think a more important point is that:
1. We are less threatened by terrorism.
2 The people of Iraq are experiencing a greater freedom, prosperity and future than they ever had before.
3. American casualties today are almost zero, yet we are still bringing peace and civility and training Iraqi police to put aside religioius or sect differences and stand up for rule of law.
End result, Iraq will be better when we have finally left, than before we came.
May God bless all who stand for the peace that we have in Jesus Christ, even in the midst of conflict, trial and war.
#1. No terrorist attacks against the U.S. originated in Iraq
#2. QUALITY OF LIFE INDICATORS
Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 - 2,255,000
Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan - 2.1 million to 2.25 million
Iraqi Unemployment Rate - 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect
Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 - 50%
Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition - 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)
Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 - 40%
Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion - 34,000
Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2003 Invasion - 12,000
Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion - 2,000
Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007)
Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007
Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007
Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 16 to 24
Number of Iraqi Homes Connected to Sewer Systems - 37%
Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)
Water Treatment Plants Rehabilitated - 22%
#3. " American casualties today are almost zero " ?!
You need to talk to the families of these fallen heros in 2008 -
13-Aug 1 Cpl. James M. Hale, 23, of Naperville, Ill., died Aug. 13 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when his vehicle encountered an improvised explosive device. He was assigned to the 978th Military Police Company, Fort Bliss, Texas
10-Aug 2 Sgt. Kenneth B. Gibson, 25, of Christiansburg, Va., died of wounds suffered Aug. 10 in Tarmiyah, Iraq, when an improvised explosive device detonated near his position during dismounted operations. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks, Hawaii.
Sgt. Michael H. Ferschke Jr., 22, of Maryville, Tenn., died Aug. 10 while supporting combat operations in Salah ad Din province, Iraq. He was assigned to 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion, 3rd Marine Division, III Marine Expeditionary Force, Okinawa, Japan.
[Edited by Admin. Next time publish it somewhere online and give a link to where it can be read. Please refrain from making excessively long posts like this again.]
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/19/2008 11:42:46 AM
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TheosCentric
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ORIGINAL: henny
Anyone heard about this?
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A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.
Suskind writes in “The Way of the World,” to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery – adamantly denied by the White House – was designed to portray a false link between Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.
The author also claims that the Bush administration had information from a top Iraqi intelligence official “that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion.”
The letter’s existence has been reported before, and it had been written about as if it were genuine. It was passed in Baghdad to a reporter for The (London) Sunday Telegraph who wrote about it on the front page of Dec. 14, 2003, under the headline, “Terrorist behind September 11 strike ‘was trained by Saddam.’”
The Telegraph story by Con Coughlin (which, coincidentally, ran the day Hussein was captured in his “spider hole”) was touted in the U.S. media by supporters of the war, and he was interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press."
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The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001,” Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12308.html
Sounds similar to the faked attempted purchase of uranium from Nigeria. 
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/19/2008 7:38:42 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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The length of the 2008 casualties was the point.
But I can appreciate the balance you must reach as an Administrator; For example: Were our newspapers allowed by the government to photograph & publish pictures of all the coffins from Iraq there would be no space for news, no Editor in America would allow that.
I have always just posted links, and will in the future.
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/25/2008 1:00:07 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Bush claimed all along that we would remain in iraq only as long as the legitimate government wanted us there.
It turns out that the elected government of Iraq now wants us to leave, and the sooner the better.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_pact
So is Bush going to live up to his words? Or was he lying all along? When do our people come home?
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/25/2008 1:25:03 PM
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Fritzpw_Admin
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Bush claimed all along that we would remain in iraq only as long as the legitimate government wanted us there.
It turns out that the elected government of Iraq now wants us to leave, and the sooner the better.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_pact
So is Bush going to live up to his words? Or was he lying all along? When do our people come home?
From what I've been seeing they said they wanted us out by 2011.
Bush will no longer be president by that time in the United States.
So really... the question doesn't apply.
Will Bush's sucessor comply with the request to be out by 2011?
I'm guessing yes.
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RE: Bush pays price for 'Mission Accomplished' sign - 8/26/2008 12:47:55 PM
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RichLP
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NEWS FROM THE IRAQI QUAGMIRE
1. Yesterday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki repeated his demand that all foreign soldiers must leave Iraq by 2011. He also wants foreign troops, including US soldiers, to come under the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts. This demand stands at odds with the Bush administration, which in its final months insists withdrawals must reflect conditions on the ground.
So who has the final say - the Iraqis or the occupiers?
2. al-Maliki wants Iraqi Christians who left Iraq to return, but the majority of refugee NGOs and UNHCR state Iraq is still too dangerous. This reality contrasts with the peace and freedom to worship Jesus Christ that Iraqi Christians enjoyed before Bush's war (and it is a sobering reminder to pro-war Crosswalkers who think that Christians in Iraq are better off now, at least in terms of freedom of worship.)
3. A suicide bomber killed 25 people in Baghdad.
4. In one of this war's many tragedies, Iraqis still struggle to find potable water for drinking, bathing, washing, and cooking. Again, this is another facet of Iraqi life that is worse post-Bush than it was pre-Bush. That Iraq's summer is unbearably hot makes things worse for the people of Iraq.
5. Yesterday saw a number of acts of violence in Iraq, and one US soldier died.
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RE: Bush pays price for 'Mission Accomplished' sign - 8/26/2008 9:50:30 PM
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Iraq being taken over by liberals! They have signed the UN Convention on Torture and vow to prosecute those torturing prisoners.
Iraq needs a iron fisted dicatator to end this non-sense. I hear Dick Cheney will be available on 1-21-09.
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RE: Bush pays price for 'Mission Accomplished' sign - 8/27/2008 10:34:49 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Iraq being taken over by liberals! They have signed the UN Convention on Torture and vow to prosecute those torturing prisoners.
Iraq needs a iron fisted dicatator to end this non-sense. I hear Dick Cheney will be available on 1-21-09.
Al Gore would be more fun...
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