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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 2:13:40 PM
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hellohellohi
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Free your minds
Yeah, thanks Morpheus, I mean Heavendweller. Just kidding!
But seriously,
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Truth cannot always be boiled down to some tangible, absolute concept.
I don't know if you are looking at the truth right. It is certainly true that one can't judge or see into another person's heart like God does, and, thus, the truth, as far as that is concerned is opaque.
However, even if there is no absolute truth than can or might be agreed upon between people, a truth can still exist in one's heart that things outside of this are LIES.
What I am trying to say is that even if the truth is not measureable against an absolute standard (though perhaps it can be rather easily) then it can still be measured against the ALTERNATIVE, which is lies, untruth.
Thus, saying "dude" could be a form of a lie -- an ironic blasphemy -- or it might not be. I don't know. -- In that I agree with you -- But it MIGHT be wrong; it might be sin. Nevertheless, I see nothing wrong with TRYING to relate, each from our different perspectives, to how it would be for US if we used "dude." And if one of us feels that there was nothing wrong with it, it doesn't stop the rest of us from questioning whether this is so, and discussing how it is that one might know.
Also, I might add, since it is related, freeing your mind is a great idea -- but if sin exists, then our minds are enslaved -- to put it another way, we have given up freedom willfully. If, then, we were to declare rebellion against this state of affairs, demanding the freedom of the mind, would it be reasonable to think that sin would grant it? Or would it be reasonable to believe that sin could be usurped? If we found ourselves in open rebellion, would we be safe in assuming that we had broken from sin and that this corruption had not cleverly stuck with us even in our rebellion?
That's the logic, or paradox, for which salvation is the answer. That is why Jesus can be called the Master -- otherwise, he is just a sensei, if anything.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 3:36:32 PM
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Call me old-school, misled, whatever you choose, but, God is my Father. He is much greater than any person. He deserves respect and worship. Now, I require respect from my children, too, but I do not deserve or require worship. I am unworthy, but, if my children call me dude, they will sit lightly for the evening! 
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 4:49:34 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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I think a lot of people are going to have to answer for their lack of fear and reverance for God. I would never even think of him as a dude. How disgusting!
Remember the God of the Bible? The one that, when people encountered Him or even His messenger, they would fall on their knees or faces in fear and awe? Well, that's the God we still serve...He hasn't changed, we have.
We are told that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Would you do that to someone you called "dude"?
NOWHERE in scripture do we see any examples of people bringing God down to their level. What makes us think we can?
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 5:32:32 PM
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DougHorton
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I guess I was never taught that "dude" is a derogatory term. I just assumed it was another term for a man. Is it any worse than referring to the Big Guy Himself as "Daddy"?
I don't think the Man Upstairs minds so much what we call Him, as long as what we say about Him is truth.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 6:09:09 PM
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MrFribbles
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Heavendweller, I'm going to assume a vast majority of your responses were given in a sarcastic manner, given this -
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Nothing flabbergasts or shocks me anymore. Nothing. In time, we will see things defended by "Christians" that will have many reeling in their graves, if such a thing were possible.
Unfortunately, it's very difficult to read tone online, so I may be wrong in this assumption. If I am, please correct me.
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And some children call their fathers "dude" or "hey you" or "yo" or "home boy" or "old man" or by their first name, especially if they have a close relationship with them. Calling your parents "mother" or "father" is out of vogue these days. So traditional, old fashioned, and all that.
It's one thing to never call one's father "father." It's another entirely to insist that be the only way that they are addressed. When I have children, obviously I will discipline them for addressing me in a disrespectful manner, but not for addressing me in a casual manner. I don't want to sit in an ivory tower above me children.
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Yeah, what's true for me isn't necessarily what's "true" for you. Truth cannot always be boiled down to some tangible, absolute concept.
To some extent, yes, you're absolutely right. Consider Romans 14. For some, it was unacceptable and sinful to eat meat, for others, it was no problem. Some people felt it was neccessary to observe certain holy days, but others did not. What did Paul conclude on this matter? Both were right, if they did what they were doing to the glory of God. He commaned that they be true to themselves, and obey the conviction God had laid on their heart.
(on a side note - it was those who chose to indulge in the looser rules who were said to have the stronger faith...)
In the same way, we, as Christians, are not bound by rules made by man. We are bound to follow the Scripture, and whatever convictions the Holy Spirit places on our hearts. And since I do not see "dude" forbidden in Scripture, nor does the Holy Spirit lead me to abstain, I shall find no problem with it (though, again, I probably won't - it's just not how I talk).
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With that said, I don't need to go to church, cuz God is more evident in His creation than in church, where all that gossip and judging goes on anyway.
Except, that is expressly forbidden in Scripture. It doesn't apply in this discussion.
Though there's no problem with seeing God's beauty and truth in His creation. Psalm 19.
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Ya know, if I wanna call Jesus my Guru, what's wrong with that?
Nothing, as long as it's done with sincerety. It might be especially appropriate if you come from a history in Hinduism, or are witnessing to people who are coming from a Hindu experience. There is nothing antithetical in the nature of Christ and the word guru.
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Ya know, on my level, not some pie in the sky man way out there.
Why, it's almost like God was up in heaven, but chose to take on flesh and become the lowliest of men! To literally and fully become man, while still being God!
...Oh wait, that's exactly what He did.
I don't see where all the problem with "bringing Jesus down to our level" comes from, since He already chose to do that for us when He came to earth some 2,000-ish years ago.
Again, if your posts were meant sincerely, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
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I think a lot of people are going to have to answer for their lack of fear and reverance for God. I would never even think of him as a dude. How disgusting!
And what of the people who deny the Spirit's leading, which should cause us to call out to God as our Father, and our daddy?
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We are told that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Would you do that to someone you called "dude"?
Absolutely. I recognize that Jesus is my brother and my friend, but He is also my Lord and my God. The two are not, and indeed must be made, mutually exclusive.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 7:17:23 PM
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Roberta_
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I'm very happy that people are so willing to share their thoughts on this topic, but if I may ask a favor, can we do this without references to words that would be filtered out anyway? Please?
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 7:20:53 PM
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If you want to show Jesus respect, why don't you just call him "Sir?"
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 7:26:38 PM
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bzirk
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Haven't read the whole thread, but I am discovering that my kids do not always used words the same way I do. Sometimes a word I think is disrespectful has an entirely different connotation to it in my kids' minds. Dude means friend. The Lord did say He is our friend, and some young people use 'dude' that way. Now my generation used it as a flippant term for some guy hangin' out somewhere doing almost nothing or as a scold to someone for being a turkey. But that's not how my kids and their friends use it.
But (yeah, there's a but) a pastor should be sensitive to his audience, and weigh a word choice if it's going to cause people to trip. Sometimes it's not worth avoiding, because the use of it is effective enough that any tripping can be dealt with. Sometimes it should be avoided. It just depends on the situation and what the Lord wants in a given moment.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 8:39:52 PM
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MrFribbles
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I'm very happy that people are so willing to share their thoughts on this topic, but if I may ask a favor, can we do this without references to words that would be filtered out anyway? Please?
Absolutely. Sorry if I caused offense. Would you like me to edit my post, to remove references to this particular word(s)?
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But (yeah, there's a but) a pastor should be sensitive to his audience, and weigh a word choice if it's going to cause people to trip. Sometimes it's not worth avoiding, because the use of it is effective enough that any tripping can be dealt with. Sometimes it should be avoided. It just depends on the situation and what the Lord wants in a given moment.
I completely agree. Just because something is allowed for some does not mean it should be used in every situation. It is especially important for someone in a position of authority, like a Pastor, to be careful about the words they use. We shouldn't rile people up for the sake of riling people up.
But (yeah, I have one too, heh), if someone makes an honest mistake, we should be willing to forgive. In this situation, if this is the first time "dude" had been said in this setting, I would say the proper thing to do is to go to the Pastor and say, privately, that offense had been taken, and it would be appreciated if he didn't use that word to address Jesus in his public prayers any more. Hopefully, he'll be willing to see that it is offensive to some that have been placed under his care, and he will do his best to refrain in the future. ...Of course, if he is unwilling to refrain from saying "dude" in that way in the future, despite properly handled confrontation, then that's a whole other problem altogether!
*edited to add that second part there. ....Definitely hit "OK" before I meant to. Oops!*
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 8:41:52 PM
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If there are no absolutes and everything is a gray area, where do we draw the line? Yes, God looks on the heart and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Fowl or foul? 
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:09:48 PM
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Roberta_
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Sorry folks, I'm a slow learner because I'm still failing to see how the word "Dude" is respectful.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:13:38 PM
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bzirk
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
Sorry folks, I'm a slow learner because I'm still failing to see how the word "Dude" is respectful.
I understand. I don't like it either. But I'm also learning from my kids and their friends that what I hear and what they hear might be two different things. Their frame of reference really is different from mine. That's hard to wrap my head around sometimes, but there it is.
However, I have no clue if the pastor saying 'dude' when you heard him was a good time to use it. He could have been way out in left field and just making a lame attempt at being relevant and sticking his foot in his mouth in the process, or it was a great time for the young people who were there. If I were you, I'd ask the Lord to show me or at least show me what if anything I should do about it.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:21:14 PM
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Yes I totally agree I could not call the one who made me Dude He is my Father and I will know my place and will call him Father .
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:22:46 PM
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Roberta_
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ORIGINAL: bzirk
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
Sorry folks, I'm a slow learner because I'm still failing to see how the word "Dude" is respectful.
I understand. I don't like it either. But I'm also learning from my kids and their friends that what I hear and what they hear might be two different things. Their frame of reference really is different from mine. That's hard to wrap my head around sometimes, but there it is.
However, I have no clue if the pastor saying 'dude' when you heard him was a good time to use it. He could have been way out in left field and just making a lame attempt at being relevant and sticking his foot in his mouth in the process, or it was a great time for the young people who were there. If I were you, I'd ask the Lord to show me or at least show me what if anything I should do about it.
I'm the youngest one in the Bible study and I'm 43. The next youngest is probably about 5 years older than I am.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:29:29 PM
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Roberta_
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I've been praying for him. However, I'm not sure that I'm going to stick with his church because I've issues that I've mentioned in the Emergent Church thread.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:32:07 PM
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bzirk
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Sometimes it's really hard to swallow things when someone is trying so hard to be "relevant." I've almost gotten to the point of hating that word. I can just imagine some of your thoughts about the emergent thang. It's my belief that once a movement has a name, it's already dead spiritually.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 9:57:44 PM
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I was very offended by this.
Good.
And now that you know that this pastor has no intention of maintaining and teaching a proper reverence for the Lord Jesus Christ, what exactly do you plan to do? That's the real issue.
We can either become partakers of other men's sins or we can rebuke them in a number of ways. The choice is yours.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 10:18:24 PM
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As a mother, if my daughter calls me "chick", I'd feel a little disrespected. I get along with my daughter and we have a blast. She thinks I'm like one of her best friends. But there's a line I won't let her cross and that is to remove the respect that a kid should have for a parent. I can try to be as cool as her friends, but bottom line is, I"m not just her friend. I'm her mother. Same for God. He's our Holy Father. He is our friend, our counsellor, our saviour, but He can't be any of those unless He's God. I would not dare remove the respect and awe that is reserved only for Him. That's the problem with some of the movements that's arising. They only want God to be what they want Him to be...whether it's a friend, a father, a counsellor. They forget that He is God.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 10:58:29 PM
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Roberta_
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Prairiehiker- I hear you! My 15 yo dd thought it'd be cool to call me "dudette" - she didn't think it was cool for long. That was over a year ago.
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I was very offended by this.
Good.
And now that you know that this pastor has no intention of maintaining and teaching a proper reverence for the Lord Jesus Christ, what exactly do you plan to do? That's the real issue.
We can either become partakers of other men's sins or we can rebuke them in a number of ways. The choice is yours.
Actually, due to transportation issues, I haven't been able to go to church at all since the beginning of June. However, there have been those who've been willing to give me a ride to this Bible study.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/17/2008 10:59:26 PM
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I hate it! 
There is a movement in Christianity today that likes to bring Jesus Christ down to a base, human level, and if you hadn't figured it out by my first sentence, yes, it offends me.
Jesus is not your "Homey," "Dude," "Main Man/Squeeze" or the "Big Guy," as I've heard Him called before. He is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords and He died for your sins and gave you eternal life and as such He is worthy and deserves our utmost honor and respect.
If you were meeting with the CEO of your company or the President of the United States would you address either one of them as "Dude?" Not likely. How much more respect do we owe our Lord and Savior?
This is as far as I've read in the thread.
Kat, I remember when a poster once referred to God as "the Big Guy" and I remember those of us who took note of it.
Yikes--I couldn't call God "Big Guy" or "dude" or any of those base terms. All I can think of is the end of Job when God speaks, and Job becomes completely humbled.
There is great arrogance, I think, in referring to God as "Dude".
Now I'm going to read the rest of the thread.
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