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Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 8:01:27 AM
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By Dean Goodman, Reuters
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LOS ANGELES — Comedian George Carlin, a counter-culture hero famed for his routines about drugs, dirty words and the demise of humanity, died of heart failure at a Los Angeles-area hospital on Sunday. He was 71.
Carlin, who had a history of heart and drug-dependency problems, died at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica about 6 p.m. PDT (9 p.m. EDT) after being admitted earlier in the afternoon for chest pains, spokesman Jeff Abraham told Reuters.
Known for his edgy, provocative material developed over 50 years, the bald, bearded Carlin achieved status as an anti-Establishment icon in the 1970s with stand-up bits full of drug references and a routine called "Seven Words You Can Never Say On Television." A regulatory battle over a radio broadcast of the routine ultimately reached the U.S. Supreme Court.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 8:03:57 AM
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I hope he's hearing seven holy words right now. 
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 8:16:10 AM
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His early hippy dippy weatherman stuff was excellent but then around the clinton presidency he bacame just another bitter old man. Not funny at all.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 8:46:03 AM
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I wonder what he's thinking right this very second.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 9:07:27 AM
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I wonder if he believes in Jesus now?
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 9:23:38 AM
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It's sad. I considered him a kindred spirit, except that his was much funnier.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 12:30:18 PM
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..."I don't have any beliefs or allegiances. I don't believe in this country, I don't believe in religion, or a god, and I don't believe in all these man-made institutional ideas," he told Reuters in a 2001 interview."
I pray that he accepted Jesus as his Savior prior to his death, or he'll be doing his act in a VERY warm climate. 
Your Spurgeon quote pretty much sums up Carlin. Most people do adore the false - Carlin knew it. Of course, that's why many found him offensive.
But yeah, hopefully he accepted Jesus.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 1:30:38 PM
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If George Carlin did not believe in God, why not? Was there anyone who showed Him Christ in their relationship to him? Was there anyone whose life exemplified Jesus Christ in thought, word, and deed? More than likely there were plenty around him who called themselves christian but whose walk was way off their talk. If anyone dies unsaved, we as believers are shamed for it because we failed to reach that person or show the truth of salvation in our lives and conduct. We failed to shine before the world and be the city on the hill. True,there are those who will not believe no matter what, but we are still obligated to be Christ for them in the hope that they will someday see.
Whether or not he believed in God, he was still a human being and had
some very valid observations over the years. My favorite was a more recent one, where he bemoaned how we have all the material wealth under the sun but are spiritually and emotionally the poorer for it.
Satire and parody make fun of things which quite often deserve to be made fun of, and that includes religion. Pure faith is a very rare and beautiful thing, but religion tends to be not very pure at all and has at times been used by demogogues and opportunists to ensnare, enslave, cripple, abuse, and kill people. Religion has been and is still being used as "justification" for oppression, murder, and genocide. Christianity does not have clean hands in this regard, and at times in the past has rolled whole-heartedly in the muck of human suffering caused by church doctrines(those fomented by the avarice and prejudices of man in defiance of the Word of God).
We all know someone who is christian or claims to be, who uses "christian concern" as an excuse to gossip about others and commit character assassination. We know of church members who cheat on their income taxes, or who separate their business practices from their spiritual life. There are those alive today who remember that many of the churches of Europe stood by as Jews and Gypsies were rounded up and slaughtered by the Nazis, Facists, and Communists in the 1930's and 1940's, and the churches in America voiced little if any protest. Christians in this country allowed our government to turn away a boat of Jewish refugees who then had to return to Europe and were summarily sent to the death camps; had the church as a whole raised cain, those refugees would have been accepted.
There were whites kicked out of their own churches for supporting the Civil Rights movement or for being conscientious objectors to institutionalized oppression, violence and wars. In the 1820's and '30's, 17 pastors were imprisoned by the State of Georgia for objecting to the Indian Exclusion Acts stripping Indians of any rights of due process or self defense, and for objecting to the Removal Act. Several of these pastors were defrocked by their denominations and 3 pastors were lynched by mobs which included members of their own congregations. Pastors and other christians who spoke out against governmental abuses of civilians in the first 2/3 of the 20th century(and even to this day) or who supported the Labor Movements and Child Labor laws were labeled enemies of America by the the government and subjected to blackballing and other forms of harassment and coersion. On many occasions, more so in the first half of the 20th century than recently, the church stood back and invoked neutrality and thus did nothing to support their fellow christians.
We need to listen carefully to others when they speak, even if we find it distasteful, see what truth there be in it, and try to reach them even if that truth be one tiny kernel. We also need to examine those kernels to see where we need to stand up and speak out, or at least examine our own selves to better serve the Lord by serving our fellow man. We are His Body, are we not? His Hands to reach out, His Arms to embrace and uphold, His Mouth to speak words of truth and love and comfort to those in need and to confront wrongdoing, His Shoulders to bear the burdens of our fellow human beings, His back to receive the lashes for the oppressed, His legs to stand firm, His Eyes to see and Ears to hear so that we see and hear others and know what is going on, His Face so that the world might see Him.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 2:29:58 PM
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It's sad. I considered him a kindred spirit, except that his was much funnier.
As for me I never consider him anything but an unrepentant lost soul.
He constantly cussed and demeaned Christ Jesus with many references to deficating on Him an on the cross.
I too hope he had a change of heart, but the Vegas odds on that are like 10 billion to one.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 2:46:55 PM
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 2:56:56 PM
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If George Carlin did not believe in God, why not? Was there anyone who showed Him Christ in their relationship to him? Was there anyone whose life exemplified Jesus Christ in thought, word, and deed? More than likely there were plenty around him who called themselves christian but whose walk was way off their talk. If anyone dies unsaved, we as believers are shamed for it because we failed to reach that person or show the truth of salvation in our lives and conduct. We failed to shine before the world and be the city on the hill. True,there are those who will not believe no matter what, but we are still obligated to be Christ for them in the hope that they will someday see.
We don't know if anyone shared Christ with him or not. Its difficult to comprehend that someone that spoke of Jesus and trash him like he did wouldn't have the curiosity to try to examine him personally. Mr Carlin was clearly a very intelligent man and appeared to be one that would examine things he didn't understand or know much about. We can only hope that he came to salvation before his death. It may be that he heard the gospel and rejected it. His dialogues seems to suggest that.
According to his website, his life seems to be one that defied convention and authority. He even claims to have been court martials while in the service 3 x. Obviously didn't play well with others or follow the rules. We can only pray that he came to know Christ before he died.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 4:09:44 PM
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If George Carlin did not believe in God, why not? Was there anyone who showed Him Christ in their relationship to him? Was there anyone whose life exemplified Jesus Christ in thought, word, and deed? More than likely there were plenty around him who called themselves christian but whose walk was way off their talk. If anyone dies unsaved, we as believers are shamed for it because we failed to reach that person or show the truth of salvation in our lives and conduct. We failed to shine before the world and be the city on the hill. True,there are those who will not believe no matter what, but we are still obligated to be Christ for them in the hope that they will someday see.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 4:50:56 PM
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If George Carlin did not believe in God, why not? Was there anyone who showed Him Christ in their relationship to him? Was there anyone whose life exemplified Jesus Christ in thought, word, and deed? More than likely there were plenty around him who called themselves christian but whose walk was way off their talk. If anyone dies unsaved, we as believers are shamed for it because we failed to reach that person or show the truth of salvation in our lives and conduct. We failed to shine before the world and be the city on the hill. True,there are those who will not believe no matter what, but we are still obligated to be Christ for them in the hope that they will someday see.
I second that!
First, someone who does not accept Christ does not equate to "our fault". We are to plant seeds. The Holy Ghost brings those seeds to bear fruit.
Second, you turned around and said that some will not anyway. Being a celebrity, I suspect that Carlin received more than one invitation to discuss beliefs with popular evangelists. It does not have to be public knowledge to attempt talking with the lost. In fact, it should not be. I would not be surprised if his mail frequently contained pleading notes from Christians and pastors to turn from his evil ways. I have faith that he did not leave this world without some kind of invitation.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/23/2008 6:39:26 PM
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Whether or not he believed in God, he was still a human being and had
some very valid observations over the years. My favorite was a more recent one, where he bemoaned how we have all the material wealth under the sun but are spiritually and emotionally the poorer for it.
I'd just like to point out - I think I know which "observation" you're referring to.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 8:31:28 AM
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First, someone who does not accept Christ does not equate to "our fault". We are to plant seeds. The Holy Ghost brings those seeds to bear fruit.
I think all of us bear some of the blame because of our own sinfulness. Our sinfulness makes us poor messengers of the gospel. He certainly ranted about Christianity, but certainly there were grains of truth in his rants. After all, we can't deny that Christians have stupid things that provide fodder for comedians.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 8:46:41 AM
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First, someone who does not accept Christ does not equate to "our fault". We are to plant seeds. The Holy Ghost brings those seeds to bear fruit.
I think all of us bear some of the blame because of our own sinfulness. Our sinfulness makes us poor messengers of the gospel. He certainly ranted about Christianity, but certainly there were grains of truth in his rants. After all, we can't deny that Christians have stupid things that provide fodder for comedians.
I understand that, but my point was that salvation does not come from us. Her statement said that damnation was our fault because we did not reach them, and that is incorrect most times. More often than not it is because they heard and refused. Arguing perfection is pointless. None of us are that, and I conceed that many Christians have made sharing the gospel harder. I include myself in that for several people.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 10:58:41 AM
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In many of Carlin's skits he spoke to folks sharing Jesus with him, then he would tell of how the cussed Jesus in front of them and brought the (expletive deleted) bottom feeding Christians to tears.
I would say he had ample opportunity, he just rejected the love of God in a most foul way.
Sad.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 11:13:13 AM
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A classic George Carlin quip:
When Muhammad Ali was stripped of his world heavyweight boxing championship for refusing induction into the U.S. military, Carlin noted that Ali, who made his living beating people up, had refused service because he opposed the Vietnam War.
"He said, 'No, that's where I draw the line. I'll beat 'em up. But I don't want to kill 'em.' And the government said, 'Well, if you won't kill people, we won't let you beat 'em up.'"
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 11:58:55 AM
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In many of Carlin's skits he spoke to folks sharing Jesus with him, then he would tell of how the cussed Jesus in front of them and brought the (expletive deleted) bottom feeding Christians to tears.
I would say he had ample opportunity, he just rejected the love of God in a most foul way.
Sad.
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Of course, perhaps he was closer to God than we think. After all, in Revelations 3:16, it says:
"So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
He certainly wasn't lukewarm. We also don't know what went through his mind during the last 10 seconds of his life. I will admit there is no emperical evidence to presume that he did, but to presume one way or another is not our job.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 12:39:17 PM
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First, someone who does not accept Christ does not equate to "our fault". We are to plant seeds. The Holy Ghost brings those seeds to bear fruit.
I think all of us bear some of the blame because of our own sinfulness. Our sinfulness makes us poor messengers of the gospel. He certainly ranted about Christianity, but certainly there were grains of truth in his rants. After all, we can't deny that Christians have stupid things that provide fodder for comedians.
I understand that, but my point was that salvation does not come from us. Her statement said that damnation was our fault because we did not reach them, and that is incorrect most times. More often than not it is because they heard and refused. Arguing perfection is pointless. None of us are that, and I conceed that many Christians have made sharing the gospel harder. I include myself in that for several people.
I did NOT say damnation was our fault, I said we are shamed by every lost soul because we so often fail to be examples of Christ in our everyday lives, which is the example unbelievers see.
There's a joke about this:
A man was driving in traffic and the light turned yellow so he stopped. The lady in the car behind him was in a hurry and became enraged that he didn't run the light thus causing her to have to wait. She yelled and cussed and flipped him off, calling him all sorts of names. In the middle of her rant, there was a tap on her window and she turned to see a police officer standing there. He directed her to get out of the car and arrested her. She was in jail for a couple of hours before the officer came and released her. He apologized for her incarceration saying, "I saw how you were acting and noticed the fish logo decal and "What Would Jesus Do" bumpersticker and naturally assumed that you had stolen the car."
THAT is what the rest of the world sees as our witness. For that we SHOULD be ashamed, for that is what causes others to stumble.
None of us is perfect, and we all sin every single day and most often in front of others, who then judge the faith by our conduct. That said, we should have the humility to realize that we are far from being all that and conscienciously direct our every thought, word, and deed to strive for perfection in Christ. And for those times we fail, we need to humbly admit said failures and ask those who witnessed it for their forgiveness as well as asking Him for His. We never know who is watching us and how we will affect their eternity.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 1:06:35 PM
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I did NOT say damnation was our fault, I said we are shamed by every lost soul because we so often fail to be examples of Christ in our everyday lives, which is the example unbelievers see.
My apologies. That seemed to be the substance of your statements. You said twice that the unsaved are that way because "we failed." Admittedly, you went further to contradict that, but it is not always that we failed.
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If anyone dies unsaved, we as believers are shamed for it because we failed to reach that person or show the truth of salvation in our lives and conduct. We failed to shine before the world and be the city on the hill.
Regarding living a perfect life, see my response to martyfran. Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
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RE: Edgy comic George Carlin dies in L.A., aged 71 - 6/24/2008 1:35:59 PM
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Carlin was raised in an Irish Catholic home, hence the line from his Class Clown album "I used to Irish Catholic, now I'm an American. You know, you grow." So I'd say yes, he had a very good idea of what he was rejecting.
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