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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/26/2008 12:06:54 PM
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Lapidoth
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As earthless just indicated, the word for prophesy means "to speak."
All the other "stuff" is man's inventions, inspired from other sources than heaven.
A good study through the Old Testament shows us that "false prophets" lead people
away from God's Word --- while the "true prophet" calls people back to God's Word.
We've had so much mixture of cult and carnal ideologies that we have lost the meanings
of most of our words. Exegesis will provide us with the meanings if we use it correctly.
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/26/2008 12:44:28 PM
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Prophesy meaning to preach. Or fortune-telling?
I see in no place in the NT where the Greek word profhteuvw translated as prophesy which is the word used in 1 Corinthians 14:39 is ever translated as preach. I see no place in scripture where seeking a prophet of the Lord is considered the same as divination except in the case of Saul and the medium seeking after Samuel. One example I can think of is when Ahab and Jehoshophat decided to ally to regain Ramoth-Gilead and Jehoshophat wanted to find out what the Lord would say. After listening to 400 false prophets Jehoshophat demanded a prophet of the Lord who spoke the truth.
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/26/2008 6:49:40 PM
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Amen, TrustingGod - you know exactly where the head of the nail is at.
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/27/2008 1:35:32 AM
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rlj
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Amen, TrustingGod - you know exactly where the head of the nail is at.
I'm actually agreeing with Earthless on this one I think your cautious approach is very wise. (And it's a personal prophec thread no less?!)
My only advice to you is test what you hear to scripture. I think that the biggest thing that gives away false prophecy (whether intentional or accidental) is it doesn't line up to the Word. There is no substitute for reading and studying the Word and applying it to what you hear. I reall do take my sig seriously. ; )
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/27/2008 9:35:40 AM
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Prophesy meaning to preach. Or fortune-telling?
I generally understand Paul's meaning of prophesy to be primarily a word from God given usually to edify, sometimes to warn or rebuke, and more rarely to discuss things yet to come--but future-telling obviously is a biblically legitimate form of prophesy, albeit one of the most misunderstood , counterfeited and exploited forms of deception the church is assaulted with by so many would-be "prophets" today.
By and large, I tend to regard "preaching" to be more of a teaching gift (again, a generalization) obviously a different Spiritual gift than that of prophesy, but one that, like the others, is also still active and available to born-again Christian's even (especially?) in the last days.
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/27/2008 11:15:55 AM
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Why are we encouraging brothers/sisters to expect God to speak to someone else on their behalf instead of us going directly to the Father and expecting Him to speak directly to us.
First let me say that I wholeheartedly agree with your word of caution against abuse - it is absolutely rampant, to the extent that it has caused many/most Christians to not believe in what scripture says about Spiritual gifts at all. Satan has used deception and the counterfeit very successfully to raise doubt about the real thing.
But to address your question (above), following the same logic, one could therefore reasonably ask the same about seeking out a gifted teacher. Why not ask the Lord directly and expect to receive teaching directly from God rather than listening to some teacher or preacher? Same logic, different gift.
Just because man and the devil have taken a good thing and messed it all up doesn't mean the good thing is not (or never was) available. Just as so many "christians", in the name of Jesus, do so many OTHER terrible things provides understandable doubt, distrust (and worse) about Christianity in general, we need to understand that this is how Satan is at work leading people away from Jesus and the things of God whenever and wherever he can. Bad Christians and pretend believers are a blight on the Word of God across the board not just in Spiritual gifting, but God's own must not doubt His Word because of what men have made of it.
That said, let's go kick some Paul Crouch butt (spiritually speaking, of course!).
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/29/2008 7:03:57 PM
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Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, ... 1 Cor. 14:39
Just FYI.
Paul telling us to be eager BECAUSE it's a tough calling. Look at the OT prophets. I would not call them eager. . . willing and obedient but not eager. That's what I see.
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RE: Personal Prophecy - 8/29/2008 9:45:00 PM
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Codegrazer
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As our good friend(rtj) in Christ reminds us,
"do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Test everything. Hold on to the good." 1 Thess 5:20
If Satan is successful in getting the Lord's children to doubt God's Holy Word HERE, then how much more-so THERE?.
< Message edited by Codegrazer -- 8/29/2008 10:02:08 PM >
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) abuse - there is no way to verify the truthfulness of the message (unless it is proclaiming the future).
