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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:28:53 PM
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DreadPirateRandy
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As a pure exercise in speculation, I am curious as to why people think God created "bad" animals or creatures on this earth.
Each and every creature in existence serves a distinct purpose. Just because some may think it's bad doesn't make it actually so.
Before sin entered into the world, all creatures were tame. If anything, we created the "badness".
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I can understand the creation of a cuddly, loving animal like a cat
I believe that in the beginning, satan possessed a cat instead of a snake.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:34:42 PM
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TorchHeart
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I believe that in the beginning, satan possessed a cat instead of a snake.
I used to own a cat. She used to visit Satan once a week for lessons on how to be more evil. I'm not sure how much the devil was paying her to give him lessons though.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:48:37 PM
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TorchHeart
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Zebra are pretty, and eat grass, and have Little Debbie Cakes named after them.
Are those snack cakes made out of zebras, too????
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 3:34:19 PM
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Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
the whole creation has been groaning because of the fall of man? so does that mean, then, that before, it wasn't? in a modern female's speculation, that means animals/plants/earth wouldn't have "groaned", ie animals wouldn't have experienced killing and such...is this a safe speculation? i would like to think that "good" meant that in the Garden, nothing of life knew death (including man). but once the fall of man happened, everything experienced death...eventually....
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 11:50:57 PM
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Zebra are pretty, and eat grass, and have Little Debbie Cakes named after them. They are NICE.
I ate a Zebra once. Well, part of one. Seriously.
Quite tasty for a horse.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 12:52:17 AM
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The reason most think that animals did not kill one another is because the earth will be restored to that state in the end acording to Isaiah 11.
Isaiah 11:6-9
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the den of the basilisk. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
If nothing is going to eat another creature in the end days then I think they did not eat each other in the beguining either.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 8:58:38 AM
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TorchHeart
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The reason most think that animals did not kill one another is because the earth will be restored to that state in the end acording to Isaiah 11.
Isaiah 11:6-9
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the den of the basilisk. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
If nothing is going to eat another creature in the end days then I think they did not eat each other in the beguining either.
Umm.... being serious for a moment, I thought all of those "animals" were often considereed to be allegories for nations that were present in Isaiah's time. Such as the Lamb actually being a reference to Israel, the bear being (I think) the region we now know as Russia, etc.
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Zebra are pretty, and eat grass, and have Little Debbie Cakes named after them. They are NICE.
I ate a Zebra once. Well, part of one. Seriously.
Quite tasty for a horse.
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I ate a Zebra once. Well, part of one. Seriously.
Quite tasty for a horse.
Dude, how did you find a zebra in Minnesota?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 10:18:05 AM
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Dude, how did you find a zebra in Minnesota?
The Como Zoo?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 11:06:23 AM
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Dude, how did you find a zebra in Minnesota?
I didn't, I found it on the menu at a restaurant in Nairobi appropriately called The Carnivore. Lot's of tasty animals, including crocs, which I had as well.
I have had alligator and ostrich in Minnesota, at The Great Minnesota Get Together of course.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 11:17:48 AM
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Does the gator eat the ostrich first, and then they cook them together? Or how does that work?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 11:36:08 AM
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Does the gator eat the ostrich first, and then they cook them together? Or how does that work?
Despite my gastric adventurousness, I think I would pass on alligator pre-chewed ostrich. Presumably they are raised on their own respective farms and cooked separately, and served on a stick.
Now that would be an interesting job - alligator farmer. "Get along little 'gator, Heeyah!"
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 11:43:14 AM
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This is a very interesting and comical discussion.
That said, you have to feel sorry for the animals who were the FIRST to find out that many of their former brethren had become meat-eaters............. 
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 11:47:12 AM
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This might be the first reference to actual eating of other animals:
Ge 9:3
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
If not, there are scriptures later on in Genesis that make no mistake they are referring to the eating of animals.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 12:09:28 PM
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TorchHeart
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Does the gator eat the ostrich first, and then they cook them together? Or how does that work?
Despite my gastric adventurousness, I think I would pass on alligator pre-chewed ostrich. Presumably they are raised on their own respective farms and cooked separately, and served on a stick.
Now that would be an interesting job - alligator farmer. "Get along little 'gator, Heeyah!"
Interesting being the farmer? Try being the horse he's riding to corral the gators on a "cattle drive" to market! That'll be one nervous pony.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 12:17:14 PM
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Before sin entered into the world, all creatures were tame. Chapter and verse???quote:
Romans 8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
the whole creation has been groaning because of the fall of man? so does that mean, then, that before, it wasn't? in a modern female's speculation, that means animals/plants/earth wouldn't have "groaned", ie animals wouldn't have experienced killing and such...is this a safe speculation? That is speculation. I don't see it as "safe." quote:
The reason most think that animals did not kill one another is because the earth will be restored to that state in the end acording to Isaiah 11.
Isaiah 11:6-9
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the den of the basilisk.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. While that is surely how it will be at the end, we have no proof that this is a description of original creation. That is just fanciful thinking.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 12:18:19 PM
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That said, you have to feel sorry for the animals who were the FIRST to find out that many of their former brethren had become meat-eaters.............
I can see the discussion already:
Mr. Rabbit and Mr. Wolf are living in burrows next to one another. They've had a really good relationship up to now. They've had each other over to play poker with some of the other animals. Both belong to the same bowling league. They always greet one another when they come out in the morning to go to work.
Then, one morning, Mr. Rabbit goes outside and he sees Mr. Wolf standing by the hedge. So he goes over to talk to him...
(RABBIT): Hey Mr. Wolf. How are things going?
(WOLF): They're going good. They're going good. I... uh... I just started this new diet, a couple days ago.
(RABBIT): Really? What is it?
(WOLF): Well, its a really specialized diet. Its called "carnivorism!"
(RABBIT): Carnivorism, huh? Do you like it?
(WOLF): Oh... I love it!
(RABBIT): Really? *punches himself in the stomach a couple times* You know, I've got quite a bit of meat on me, right now. I could stand to lose some of it. Wanna tell me about it?
(WOLF): *smiling* Oh, I think I can do that! In fact, I can even show you what its all about! Wanna come over for dinner tonight?
(RABBIT): Sounds good? Around 8:00?
(WOLF): *drooling slightly* OH! 8:00 will be perfect!
(RABBIT): Great! I'll be ready to eat.
(WOLF): Oh, yes, you will be.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 12:32:33 PM
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Jhud
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Interesting being the farmer? Try being the horse he's riding to corral the gators on a "cattle drive" to market! That'll be one nervous pony.
True, but the advantage is that the varmints eat any potential rustlers.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 1:50:57 PM
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Interesting being the farmer? Try being the horse he's riding to corral the gators on a "cattle drive" to market! That'll be one nervous pony.
True, but the advantage is that the varmints eat any potential rustlers.
LMAO!
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 3:09:31 PM
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Chapter and verse???
There's a reference in James 3:7 -
For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind.
In the beginning of time, everything was unblemished, as it will be once again. Why would aggressiveness in animals need to exist in such perfection?
How could Adam even wonder among the beasts of the field if they weren't domesticized?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/27/2008 3:23:28 PM
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That James reference is sketchy at best. And your question Why would aggressiveness in animals need to exist in such perfection? may sound logical but lacks scriptural support.
How could Adam even wonder among the beasts of the field if they weren't domesticized? He was given dominion over them.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/28/2008 12:08:55 PM
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Solomonsprayer, There seem to be 2 schools of thought on the phrase "and God saw that it was good" in describingh creation in Genesis 1. Many assert good means pleasurable, fine, cool, groovy if you will. The other suggests and God saw that it was good, means it works as God intended it to work or function. I like the second explanation. So there aren't "bad or good animals" as each serves a purpose in the whole schematic of creation if we go by this second posit. We interpret what is good and bad based on behavioral principles we have established and therby ascribe something to be good or bad depending on our value system. A deer is good if doing what it does in the wild, but if it comes in to traffic, well then, it's bad. Just my 5 cents on the subject..
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/28/2008 1:00:47 PM
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I remember having this discussion years ago being asked "Did God create the devil?"
This was my response:
Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Its like trying to debate which characteristics of men and women are bad, and which are good. God made them to fit together, to form a more perfect union.
That is how I view the natural world. It all fits together.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/28/2008 1:17:59 PM
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Acts 11:9 "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' If God created them then how shall we call them bad?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/28/2008 1:57:50 PM
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That James reference is sketchy at best. And your question Why would aggressiveness in animals need to exist in such perfection? may sound logical but lacks scriptural support.
How could Adam even wonder among the beasts of the field if they weren't domesticized? He was given dominion over them.
We still have dominion over them, but I am for sure not going to walk up to a grizzly bear and hug it.
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