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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/27/2008 3:33:14 PM
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Rockwall
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I'm not shocked about these comments that many of you would back a Romney-Mc Cain ticket.
Romney may be moral and everything, but this ticket may alianate the church in general because many of the fact that Mormonism and their "family agenda" is not preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
If our Christian leaders do accept this, well I have to question them too because a vote for this ticket and this man being on it is a vote that you do accept mormonism.
And as a believer, I cannot in good concious if this is going to happen, accept this.
So you completely disagree with this assessment:
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I would ask if a real Christian could NOT vote for a McCain/Romney ticket. Either sitting at home and not voting for them, voting for a third party, or voting for Obama GUARANTEES THAT BUSH WILL BE THE LAST PRO-CHOICE PRESIDENT.
Obama has stated that he would NOT have picked justices Alito and Roberts. Alito has stated he disagrees with Roe v. Wade. Obama will vote pro-death justices and Roe v. Wade will not stand a chance at being reversed.
Is having a "Christian Cult" as a vice president (who can't appoint justices) for 4 years worse than having another 30 years and millions of dead babies on our bloody hands?
How will having the most left-leaning, pro-abortion senator for president help advance your Christian values? Let's examin your logic: "a vote for this ticket and this man being on it is a vote that you do accept mormonism." Could I not say that voting for or helping Obama win is a vote that you do accept legalized infanticide?
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/27/2008 4:38:28 PM
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How will having the most left-leaning, pro-abortion senator for president help advance your Christian values? Let's examin your logic: "a vote for this ticket and this man being on it is a vote that you do accept mormonism." Could I not say that voting for or helping Obama win is a vote that you do accept legalized infanticide?
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/27/2008 6:38:53 PM
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I'd sooner have a dedicated Mormon who believed in protecting innocent life than a professing Christian who believes it should be legal to suck the brains out of babies. With BO it's even worse. He once made the case that it was unconstitutional to provide medical care to a child that survived an abortion.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/27/2008 7:18:31 PM
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I think Romney would be a solid pick for McCain. McCain's perceived weakness (at least one of them) is the economy, and Romney will add his successful business experience to the ticket.
I can't picture McCain picking Lieberman. It's too much of a gamble, he would risk losing too much of the conservative vote. Lieberman is much too liberal on social issues. If McCain were truly thinking about picking Joe, I think he would be better off with Hillary instead, at least in terms of winning the presidency.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/27/2008 7:52:49 PM
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Number one, for everyone's infomation, I'm against abortion and I'm pro life. There are people in the GOP who are pro choice as republicans who are pro-life. Please, everyone do not lump everyone in one place because there are republicans who do not side with the "religious right" of the party.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 12:49:06 AM
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Number one, for everyone's infomation, I'm against abortion and I'm pro life. There are people in the GOP who are pro choice as republicans who are pro-life. Please, everyone do not lump everyone in one place because there are republicans who do not side with the "religious right" of the party.
True enough, the Republican party is very diverse. Guiliand and Schwarznegger (sp?) are pro-abortion. Gerald Ford was. The vast majority of Repbulicans are pro-life. All of the presidential candidates this past year were except Guiliani.
On the other hand abortion is to Democrats what stink is to a skunk. It is inside of them, part of their very being. They are the party of death. Not a single one of their presidential candidates this year was pro-life.
There is very little overlap between the parties. Guiliani, the most pro-abortion presidential candidate among Republicans, was more pro-life than each of the Democrats.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 7:42:10 AM
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Anyway...if he picks Pawlenty - an unknown - McCain would spend his time, energy and money just trying to introduce the guy. Just look at the alleged media spotlight on Obama - he's had plenty of time to introduce himself (in the opinion of some), yet people STILL complain, after the very eloquent intro his wife gave him, that they don't know Obama
I know Pawlenty, and he is fairly well known here in the midwest - I would want him to be VP if only because it might actually put Minnesota in the Republican column for the first time since Nixon.
It's hard to find info on Pawlenty. Sort of like Tim Kaine on the ticket with Obama - Tim Kaine would have been my choice to run with Obama. I had to dig - he was mentioned on Obama's short list and he's a pro-life Democrat!!! That would have been great for pro-life Dems to have someone to say, yes, pro-life Dems DO exist!)
Anyway, there is just not enough known about Pawlenty - ontheissues.org hardly has any of his stances on record. Having a few unknown issues here or there for governors is fairly common on that site because they don't legislate in Congress and that is what that site follows, but usually there are some stances known. I guess in that respect, he could say he's not a DC insider. But, IMHO on strategy, if McCain had his sights on Pawlenty, he should have picked him much earlier - I guess I'm a little surprised at this.
Anyway, the only reason I think Romney would be the best bet for McCain is because he's the closest in McCain's short list to the conservative line to balance out McCain's more centrist positions - coupled with this, he is the most known. If McCain does not pick a 'more' hard-line to the right candidate - I think he'll alienate his base. He has nothing to prove with independents like me - all he has to do is point to his voting record.
Peace and God bless,
Liz, you really got to read more. A Democrat that is opposed to partial-birth abortion, but in favor of all the other abortions, is not pro-life. Kaine is a loyal Democrat, another phony Catholic who is dedicated to preserving the right to chop up a baby.
Kaine is not bashful about his support for Death Roe. He wants it now and he wants it forever. While he has supported some peripherial pro-life issues regarding abortion, he is dedicated to the Democrat's (un)holy grail, the right to murder unborn children. "I don't think the Supreme Court should (overturn Roe). Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision."
Long live death Roe!
I'm not a fool, ljmac - how is Kaine's stance any different than McCains? And please be real for once.
Here are Kaine's statements on abortion:
"Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion
I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, "Issues" Nov 8, 2005
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:
Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
Ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies. "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm
How is this different than your hero McCain's view? McCain supports overturning RVW with the exception of rape, incest and mothers life endangerment. Kaine has a faith-based opposition to abortion and is in agreement with McCain.
Peace and God bless,
Kaine believes in a constituional right to abortion. He said so. McCain does not. It can't get much different than that. It's like you're insisting that an abolitionist is no different than a state's rights proponent who is personally opposed to slavery.
Kaine supports Roe, the legal mechanism to permit killing tens of millions. He believes there is a constituional right to chop up a baby. Some opposition.
THIS is what Tim Kaine has said about abortion.
""The law in Virginia right now," he says, "is that the death penalty is the law of the land for the most serious crimes, and on abortion, the law of the United States is that women have the freedom to make their own reproductive decisions early in pregnancy, and I will honor those laws, If someone says, 'Well, that's wishy-washy,' I say, 'No, it's not -- it's being true to my oath.'
"Is there moral unease about [the death penalty]? Sure there is. But remember, when you take an oath, the honesty principle, I think, is the first principle. It is the same position President Bush has often stated about abortion. He is against abortion. He says, 'The voters know my heart.' But he has not done a single thing really to overturn Roe v. Wade.
"I feel like I am in exactly the same position as he is. I tell people what my heart is. I tell them I am good to my word when I take the oath. Does it pain me that there are executions and that abortion is common? Yes, it pains me. But I believe the system of government we have -- which is rule of law, not of men -- is the best system there is on this planet, and it is very important that the leaders who run to lead and execute the laws of the state be able to say that they will do it, and to say it honestly." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml
McCain believes abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerd, has fought to change the Republican platform to have the 3 aforementioned cases in their platform on abortion and you know it. McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org and voted in favor of the appointments of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. He also publicly stated that he would not rule out a pro-choice VP as his running mate.
I think your Republican flag waving is blocking your view. But, of course you'll continue to make excuses for McCain...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 8:09:43 AM
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Anyway...if he picks Pawlenty - an unknown - McCain would spend his time, energy and money just trying to introduce the guy. Just look at the alleged media spotlight on Obama - he's had plenty of time to introduce himself (in the opinion of some), yet people STILL complain, after the very eloquent intro his wife gave him, that they don't know Obama
I know Pawlenty, and he is fairly well known here in the midwest - I would want him to be VP if only because it might actually put Minnesota in the Republican column for the first time since Nixon.
It's hard to find info on Pawlenty. Sort of like Tim Kaine on the ticket with Obama - Tim Kaine would have been my choice to run with Obama. I had to dig - he was mentioned on Obama's short list and he's a pro-life Democrat!!! That would have been great for pro-life Dems to have someone to say, yes, pro-life Dems DO exist!)
Anyway, there is just not enough known about Pawlenty - ontheissues.org hardly has any of his stances on record. Having a few unknown issues here or there for governors is fairly common on that site because they don't legislate in Congress and that is what that site follows, but usually there are some stances known. I guess in that respect, he could say he's not a DC insider. But, IMHO on strategy, if McCain had his sights on Pawlenty, he should have picked him much earlier - I guess I'm a little surprised at this.
Anyway, the only reason I think Romney would be the best bet for McCain is because he's the closest in McCain's short list to the conservative line to balance out McCain's more centrist positions - coupled with this, he is the most known. If McCain does not pick a 'more' hard-line to the right candidate - I think he'll alienate his base. He has nothing to prove with independents like me - all he has to do is point to his voting record.
Peace and God bless,
Liz, you really got to read more. A Democrat that is opposed to partial-birth abortion, but in favor of all the other abortions, is not pro-life. Kaine is a loyal Democrat, another phony Catholic who is dedicated to preserving the right to chop up a baby.
Kaine is not bashful about his support for Death Roe. He wants it now and he wants it forever. While he has supported some peripherial pro-life issues regarding abortion, he is dedicated to the Democrat's (un)holy grail, the right to murder unborn children. "I don't think the Supreme Court should (overturn Roe). Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision."
Long live death Roe!
I'm not a fool, ljmac - how is Kaine's stance any different than McCains? And please be real for once.
Here are Kaine's statements on abortion:
"Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion
I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, "Issues" Nov 8, 2005
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:
Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
Ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies. "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm
How is this different than your hero McCain's view? McCain supports overturning RVW with the exception of rape, incest and mothers life endangerment. Kaine has a faith-based opposition to abortion and is in agreement with McCain.
Peace and God bless,
Kaine believes in a constituional right to abortion. He said so. McCain does not. It can't get much different than that. It's like you're insisting that an abolitionist is no different than a state's rights proponent who is personally opposed to slavery.
Kaine supports Roe, the legal mechanism to permit killing tens of millions. He believes there is a constituional right to chop up a baby. Some opposition.
THIS is what Tim Kaine has said about abortion.
""The law in Virginia right now," he says, "is that the death penalty is the law of the land for the most serious crimes, and on abortion, the law of the United States is that women have the freedom to make their own reproductive decisions early in pregnancy, and I will honor those laws, If someone says, 'Well, that's wishy-washy,' I say, 'No, it's not -- it's being true to my oath.'
"Is there moral unease about [the death penalty]? Sure there is. But remember, when you take an oath, the honesty principle, I think, is the first principle. It is the same position President Bush has often stated about abortion. He is against abortion. He says, 'The voters know my heart.' But he has not done a single thing really to overturn Roe v. Wade.
"I feel like I am in exactly the same position as he is. I tell people what my heart is. I tell them I am good to my word when I take the oath. Does it pain me that there are executions and that abortion is common? Yes, it pains me. But I believe the system of government we have -- which is rule of law, not of men -- is the best system there is on this planet, and it is very important that the leaders who run to lead and execute the laws of the state be able to say that they will do it, and to say it honestly." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml
McCain believes abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerd, has fought to change the Republican platform to have the 3 aforementioned cases in their platform on abortion and you know it. McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org and voted in favor of the appointments of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. He also publicly stated that he would not rule out a pro-choice VP as his running mate.
I think your Republican flag waving is blocking your view. But, of course you'll continue to make excuses for McCain...
Peace and God bless,
my only excuse for McCain is that it is not Obama...
(plus i believe him to be a politician outside trying to get votes...but underneath, i think he is a closet conservative)...
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 5:28:07 PM
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Anyway...if he picks Pawlenty - an unknown - McCain would spend his time, energy and money just trying to introduce the guy. Just look at the alleged media spotlight on Obama - he's had plenty of time to introduce himself (in the opinion of some), yet people STILL complain, after the very eloquent intro his wife gave him, that they don't know Obama
I know Pawlenty, and he is fairly well known here in the midwest - I would want him to be VP if only because it might actually put Minnesota in the Republican column for the first time since Nixon.
It's hard to find info on Pawlenty. Sort of like Tim Kaine on the ticket with Obama - Tim Kaine would have been my choice to run with Obama. I had to dig - he was mentioned on Obama's short list and he's a pro-life Democrat!!! That would have been great for pro-life Dems to have someone to say, yes, pro-life Dems DO exist!)
Anyway, there is just not enough known about Pawlenty - ontheissues.org hardly has any of his stances on record. Having a few unknown issues here or there for governors is fairly common on that site because they don't legislate in Congress and that is what that site follows, but usually there are some stances known. I guess in that respect, he could say he's not a DC insider. But, IMHO on strategy, if McCain had his sights on Pawlenty, he should have picked him much earlier - I guess I'm a little surprised at this.
Anyway, the only reason I think Romney would be the best bet for McCain is because he's the closest in McCain's short list to the conservative line to balance out McCain's more centrist positions - coupled with this, he is the most known. If McCain does not pick a 'more' hard-line to the right candidate - I think he'll alienate his base. He has nothing to prove with independents like me - all he has to do is point to his voting record.
Peace and God bless,
Liz, you really got to read more. A Democrat that is opposed to partial-birth abortion, but in favor of all the other abortions, is not pro-life. Kaine is a loyal Democrat, another phony Catholic who is dedicated to preserving the right to chop up a baby.
Kaine is not bashful about his support for Death Roe. He wants it now and he wants it forever. While he has supported some peripherial pro-life issues regarding abortion, he is dedicated to the Democrat's (un)holy grail, the right to murder unborn children. "I don't think the Supreme Court should (overturn Roe). Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision."
Long live death Roe!
I'm not a fool, ljmac - how is Kaine's stance any different than McCains? And please be real for once.
Here are Kaine's statements on abortion:
"Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion
I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, "Issues" Nov 8, 2005
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:
Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
Ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies. "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm
How is this different than your hero McCain's view? McCain supports overturning RVW with the exception of rape, incest and mothers life endangerment. Kaine has a faith-based opposition to abortion and is in agreement with McCain.
Peace and God bless,
Kaine believes in a constituional right to abortion. He said so. McCain does not. It can't get much different than that. It's like you're insisting that an abolitionist is no different than a state's rights proponent who is personally opposed to slavery.
Kaine supports Roe, the legal mechanism to permit killing tens of millions. He believes there is a constituional right to chop up a baby. Some opposition.
THIS is what Tim Kaine has said about abortion.
""The law in Virginia right now," he says, "is that the death penalty is the law of the land for the most serious crimes, and on abortion, the law of the United States is that women have the freedom to make their own reproductive decisions early in pregnancy, and I will honor those laws, If someone says, 'Well, that's wishy-washy,' I say, 'No, it's not -- it's being true to my oath.'
"Is there moral unease about [the death penalty]? Sure there is. But remember, when you take an oath, the honesty principle, I think, is the first principle. It is the same position President Bush has often stated about abortion. He is against abortion. He says, 'The voters know my heart.' But he has not done a single thing really to overturn Roe v. Wade.
"I feel like I am in exactly the same position as he is. I tell people what my heart is. I tell them I am good to my word when I take the oath. Does it pain me that there are executions and that abortion is common? Yes, it pains me. But I believe the system of government we have -- which is rule of law, not of men -- is the best system there is on this planet, and it is very important that the leaders who run to lead and execute the laws of the state be able to say that they will do it, and to say it honestly." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml
McCain believes abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerd, has fought to change the Republican platform to have the 3 aforementioned cases in their platform on abortion and you know it. McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org and voted in favor of the appointments of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. He also publicly stated that he would not rule out a pro-choice VP as his running mate.
I think your Republican flag waving is blocking your view. But, of course you'll continue to make excuses for McCain...
Peace and God bless,
How guilty do you feel when you defend the actions of those who make it easy to slaughter the unborn? Do you feel guilty at all? Or is all your emotion dedicated to excusing those who want Death Roe now and forever?
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 5:40:08 PM
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""The law in Virginia right now," he says, "is that the death penalty is the law of the land for the most serious crimes, and on abortion, the law of the United States is that women have the freedom to make their own reproductive decisions early in pregnancy, and I will honor those laws, If someone says, 'Well, that's wishy-washy,' I say, 'No, it's not -- it's being true to my oath.'
I suppose technically those southern politicians that supported slavery were only being 'true to their oaths' which would seem to excuse their willingness to allow it to go on - as were those who supported Jim Crow laws. That doesn't comfort me much.
And incidentally, if Kaine were sincere in his views on the death penalty, as governor he could commute the sentence of every death row inmate - which is his privilege as an executive - of course, that wouldn't be politically expedient.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 6:09:49 PM
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Yes i would absolutely still vote for McCain if he picked Romney. I dont agree with Romney on certain things, but when i go to vote im voting for the first name - not the second name.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/28/2008 11:58:35 PM
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Anyway...if he picks Pawlenty - an unknown - McCain would spend his time, energy and money just trying to introduce the guy. Just look at the alleged media spotlight on Obama - he's had plenty of time to introduce himself (in the opinion of some), yet people STILL complain, after the very eloquent intro his wife gave him, that they don't know Obama
I know Pawlenty, and he is fairly well known here in the midwest - I would want him to be VP if only because it might actually put Minnesota in the Republican column for the first time since Nixon.
It's hard to find info on Pawlenty. Sort of like Tim Kaine on the ticket with Obama - Tim Kaine would have been my choice to run with Obama. I had to dig - he was mentioned on Obama's short list and he's a pro-life Democrat!!! That would have been great for pro-life Dems to have someone to say, yes, pro-life Dems DO exist!)
Anyway, there is just not enough known about Pawlenty - ontheissues.org hardly has any of his stances on record. Having a few unknown issues here or there for governors is fairly common on that site because they don't legislate in Congress and that is what that site follows, but usually there are some stances known. I guess in that respect, he could say he's not a DC insider. But, IMHO on strategy, if McCain had his sights on Pawlenty, he should have picked him much earlier - I guess I'm a little surprised at this.
Anyway, the only reason I think Romney would be the best bet for McCain is because he's the closest in McCain's short list to the conservative line to balance out McCain's more centrist positions - coupled with this, he is the most known. If McCain does not pick a 'more' hard-line to the right candidate - I think he'll alienate his base. He has nothing to prove with independents like me - all he has to do is point to his voting record.
Peace and God bless,
Liz, you really got to read more. A Democrat that is opposed to partial-birth abortion, but in favor of all the other abortions, is not pro-life. Kaine is a loyal Democrat, another phony Catholic who is dedicated to preserving the right to chop up a baby.
Kaine is not bashful about his support for Death Roe. He wants it now and he wants it forever. While he has supported some peripherial pro-life issues regarding abortion, he is dedicated to the Democrat's (un)holy grail, the right to murder unborn children. "I don't think the Supreme Court should (overturn Roe). Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision."
Long live death Roe!
I'm not a fool, ljmac - how is Kaine's stance any different than McCains? And please be real for once.
Here are Kaine's statements on abortion:
"Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion
I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, "Issues" Nov 8, 2005
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:
Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
Ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies. "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm
How is this different than your hero McCain's view? McCain supports overturning RVW with the exception of rape, incest and mothers life endangerment. Kaine has a faith-based opposition to abortion and is in agreement with McCain.
Peace and God bless,
Kaine believes in a constituional right to abortion. He said so. McCain does not. It can't get much different than that. It's like you're insisting that an abolitionist is no different than a state's rights proponent who is personally opposed to slavery.
Kaine supports Roe, the legal mechanism to permit killing tens of millions. He believes there is a constituional right to chop up a baby. Some opposition.
THIS is what Tim Kaine has said about abortion.
""The law in Virginia right now," he says, "is that the death penalty is the law of the land for the most serious crimes, and on abortion, the law of the United States is that women have the freedom to make their own reproductive decisions early in pregnancy, and I will honor those laws, If someone says, 'Well, that's wishy-washy,' I say, 'No, it's not -- it's being true to my oath.'
"Is there moral unease about [the death penalty]? Sure there is. But remember, when you take an oath, the honesty principle, I think, is the first principle. It is the same position President Bush has often stated about abortion. He is against abortion. He says, 'The voters know my heart.' But he has not done a single thing really to overturn Roe v. Wade.
"I feel like I am in exactly the same position as he is. I tell people what my heart is. I tell them I am good to my word when I take the oath. Does it pain me that there are executions and that abortion is common? Yes, it pains me. But I believe the system of government we have -- which is rule of law, not of men -- is the best system there is on this planet, and it is very important that the leaders who run to lead and execute the laws of the state be able to say that they will do it, and to say it honestly." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml
McCain believes abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerd, has fought to change the Republican platform to have the 3 aforementioned cases in their platform on abortion and you know it. McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org and voted in favor of the appointments of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. He also publicly stated that he would not rule out a pro-choice VP as his running mate.
I think your Republican flag waving is blocking your view. But, of course you'll continue to make excuses for McCain...
Peace and God bless,
How guilty do you feel when you defend the actions of those who make it easy to slaughter the unborn? Do you feel guilty at all? Or is all your emotion dedicated to excusing those who want Death Roe now and forever?
And how many times will you defend McCain with these views and STILL call it pro-life, according to the Republican platform? I'm not a party flag waver, ljmac, like you are.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 12:17:05 AM
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Lizahana
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""The law in Virginia right now," he says, "is that the death penalty is the law of the land for the most serious crimes, and on abortion, the law of the United States is that women have the freedom to make their own reproductive decisions early in pregnancy, and I will honor those laws, If someone says, 'Well, that's wishy-washy,' I say, 'No, it's not -- it's being true to my oath.'
I suppose technically those southern politicians that supported slavery were only being 'true to their oaths' which would seem to excuse their willingness to allow it to go on - as were those who supported Jim Crow laws. That doesn't comfort me much.
And incidentally, if Kaine were sincere in his views on the death penalty, as governor he could commute the sentence of every death row inmate - which is his privilege as an executive - of course, that wouldn't be politically expedient.
You didn't answer the question, Jack - how are McCains views different?
Regarding McCains previous SCJ appointment approvals, his approvals include Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter.
Taking his most recent statements, he pubicly stated that he would NOT rule out a pro-choice VP - and you are trying to tell me that the pro-life movement is of high-ranking importance to McCain?
I am an independent. As I have stated in the past, the ONLY issue I agree with Republicans on is their pro-life stance. I am surely not going to waste my vote on one issue to a candidate that can't make up his mind from one moment to another, if this issue means something to him.
And yet my stance, that abortion be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest or mothers life endangerment - a stance that is the SAME as McCain and Bush - is met with dismay here. And when I bring up the fact that McCain's stance is wishy-washy EVEN on the aforementioned stance, I'm given every excuse in the book - excuses that are not even afforded to Democrats that score higher than McCain from the nrlc.org.
And when I bring up the fact that the aforementioned stance that is held by Bush and McCain - is NOT that of the Republican's own platform - most excuse this.
And yet, all of the aforementioned stumbles are STILL excused by you, and others here. If it were a Democrat, you'd be screaming 'baby killers.'
Really, I expected more. As an independent, I expected less party-favoring, especially given the aforementioned.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 1:06:43 AM
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Yes I would still vote for McCain even if he picked Romney as his running mate. The only problem I had with Romney during the Primary is that he would not be honest about his religion. if he had come out and just said, I'm a Mormon, my church believes we are the one true church and was founded because Joseph Smith believed all the other churches to be Apostate, therefore I'm not apart of mainstream Christianity, I would have been like ok lets look at what you stand for. But I hope at this point McCain does pick Romney because that will at least give the Right some hope about the ticket. Like others have said, I will be pluging my nose and voting for McCain come Nov, and then I will spend the next 4 years praying for a better choice in 2012.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 2:13:00 PM
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Anyway...if he picks Pawlenty - an unknown - McCain would spend his time, energy and money just trying to introduce the guy. Just look at the alleged media spotlight on Obama - he's had plenty of time to introduce himself (in the opinion of some), yet people STILL complain, after the very eloquent intro his wife gave him, that they don't know Obama
I know Pawlenty, and he is fairly well known here in the midwest - I would want him to be VP if only because it might actually put Minnesota in the Republican column for the first time since Nixon.
It's hard to find info on Pawlenty. Sort of like Tim Kaine on the ticket with Obama - Tim Kaine would have been my choice to run with Obama. I had to dig - he was mentioned on Obama's short list and he's a pro-life Democrat!!! That would have been great for pro-life Dems to have someone to say, yes, pro-life Dems DO exist!)
Anyway, there is just not enough known about Pawlenty - ontheissues.org hardly has any of his stances on record. Having a few unknown issues here or there for governors is fairly common on that site because they don't legislate in Congress and that is what that site follows, but usually there are some stances known. I guess in that respect, he could say he's not a DC insider. But, IMHO on strategy, if McCain had his sights on Pawlenty, he should have picked him much earlier - I guess I'm a little surprised at this.
Anyway, the only reason I think Romney would be the best bet for McCain is because he's the closest in McCain's short list to the conservative line to balance out McCain's more centrist positions - coupled with this, he is the most known. If McCain does not pick a 'more' hard-line to the right candidate - I think he'll alienate his base. He has nothing to prove with independents like me - all he has to do is point to his voting record.
Peace and God bless,
Liz, you really got to read more. A Democrat that is opposed to partial-birth abortion, but in favor of all the other abortions, is not pro-life. Kaine is a loyal Democrat, another phony Catholic who is dedicated to preserving the right to chop up a baby.
Kaine is not bashful about his support for Death Roe. He wants it now and he wants it forever. While he has supported some peripherial pro-life issues regarding abortion, he is dedicated to the Democrat's (un)holy grail, the right to murder unborn children. "I don't think the Supreme Court should (overturn Roe). Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision."
Long live death Roe!
I'm not a fool, ljmac - how is Kaine's stance any different than McCains? And please be real for once.
Here are Kaine's statements on abortion:
...Peace and God bless,
Kaine believes in a constituional right to abortion. He said so. McCain does not. It can't get much different than that. It's like you're insisting that an abolitionist is no different than a state's rights proponent who is personally opposed to slavery.
Kaine supports Roe, the legal mechanism to permit killing tens of millions. He believes there is a constituional right to chop up a baby. Some opposition.
THIS is what Tim Kaine has said about abortion.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml
McCain believes abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerd, has fought to change the Republican platform to have the 3 aforementioned cases in their platform on abortion and you know it. McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org and voted in favor of the appointments of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. He also publicly stated that he would not rule out a pro-choice VP as his running mate.
I think your Republican flag waving is blocking your view. But, of course you'll continue to make excuses for McCain...
Peace and God bless,
How guilty do you feel when you defend the actions of those who make it easy to slaughter the unborn? Do you feel guilty at all? Or is all your emotion dedicated to excusing those who want Death Roe now and forever?
And how many times will you defend McCain with these views and STILL call it pro-life, according to the Republican platform? I'm not a party flag waver, ljmac, like you are.
Peace and God bless,
You're afraid to answer my questions. I would be too if I supported those who slaughter the innocent.
You're not paying attention. I've pointed out McCain's anti-life views on embryonic stem cell research many times. I've called him pro-life on abortion and when the situation called for it, pointed out his stem cell flaw.
Now that I've answered your question directly, have the same courtesy and asnwer mine.
How guilty do you feel when you defend the actions of those who make it easy to slaughter the unborn? Does the participation in empowering those who make it easy to slaughter children cause you any guilt?
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 2:20:08 PM
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Anyway...if he picks Pawlenty - an unknown - McCain would spend his time, energy and money just trying to introduce the guy. Just look at the alleged media spotlight on Obama - he's had plenty of time to introduce himself (in the opinion of some), yet people STILL complain, after the very eloquent intro his wife gave him, that they don't know Obama
I know Pawlenty, and he is fairly well known here in the midwest - I would want him to be VP if only because it might actually put Minnesota in the Republican column for the first time since Nixon.
It's hard to find info on Pawlenty. Sort of like Tim Kaine on the ticket with Obama - Tim Kaine would have been my choice to run with Obama. I had to dig - he was mentioned on Obama's short list and he's a pro-life Democrat!!! That would have been great for pro-life Dems to have someone to say, yes, pro-life Dems DO exist!)
Anyway, there is just not enough known about Pawlenty - ontheissues.org hardly has any of his stances on record. Having a few unknown issues here or there for governors is fairly common on that site because they don't legislate in Congress and that is what that site follows, but usually there are some stances known. I guess in that respect, he could say he's not a DC insider. But, IMHO on strategy, if McCain had his sights on Pawlenty, he should have picked him much earlier - I guess I'm a little surprised at this.
Anyway, the only reason I think Romney would be the best bet for McCain is because he's the closest in McCain's short list to the conservative line to balance out McCain's more centrist positions - coupled with this, he is the most known. If McCain does not pick a 'more' hard-line to the right candidate - I think he'll alienate his base. He has nothing to prove with independents like me - all he has to do is point to his voting record.
Peace and God bless,
Liz, you really got to read more. A Democrat that is opposed to partial-birth abortion, but in favor of all the other abortions, is not pro-life. Kaine is a loyal Democrat, another phony Catholic who is dedicated to preserving the right to chop up a baby.
Kaine is not bashful about his support for Death Roe. He wants it now and he wants it forever. While he has supported some peripherial pro-life issues regarding abortion, he is dedicated to the Democrat's (un)holy grail, the right to murder unborn children. "I don't think the Supreme Court should (overturn Roe). Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision."
Long live death Roe!
I'm not a fool, ljmac - how is Kaine's stance any different than McCains? And please be real for once.
Here are Kaine's statements on abortion:
...Peace and God bless,
Kaine believes in a constituional right to abortion. He said so. McCain does not. It can't get much different than that. It's like you're insisting that an abolitionist is no different than a state's rights proponent who is personally opposed to slavery.
Kaine supports Roe, the legal mechanism to permit killing tens of millions. He believes there is a constituional right to chop up a baby. Some opposition.
THIS is what Tim Kaine has said about abortion.
...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml
McCain believes abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerd, has fought to change the Republican platform to have the 3 aforementioned cases in their platform on abortion and you know it. McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org and voted in favor of the appointments of Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. He also publicly stated that he would not rule out a pro-choice VP as his running mate.
I think your Republican flag waving is blocking your view. But, of course you'll continue to make excuses for McCain...
Peace and God bless,
How guilty do you feel when you defend the actions of those who make it easy to slaughter the unborn? Do you feel guilty at all? Or is all your emotion dedicated to excusing those who want Death Roe now and forever?
And how many times will you defend McCain with these views and STILL call it pro-life, according to the Republican platform? I'm not a party flag waver, ljmac, like you are.
Peace and God bless,
You're afraid to answer my questions. I would be too if I supported those who slaughter the innocent.
You're not paying attention. I've pointed out McCain's anti-life views on embryonic stem cell research many times. I've called him pro-life on abortion and when the situation called for it, pointed out his stem cell flaw.
Now that I've answered your question directly, have the same courtesy and asnwer mine.
How guilty do you feel when you defend the actions of those who make it easy to slaughter the unborn? Does the participation in empowering those who make it easy to slaughter children cause you any guilt?
You did not answer about his support of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter. You did not answer about the fact that he has tried to change the Republican platform's stance on aboriton: McCain wants the Republican platform to say abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest and mother's life endangered - which is his stance, not the Republicans.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 2:27:07 PM
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The business about Romney is all academic now, since McCain chose Sarah Palin. I'll feel much better about voting for him now.
-Dave
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 2:29:18 PM
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The business about Romney is all academic now, since McCain chose Sarah Palin. I'll feel much better about voting for him now.
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I agree that it's somewhat academic - I was just answering ljmac about McCain's history, and the aforementioned is part of his history.
I actually really like Palin - she's a great role model for women. I honestly did not think she'd have a chance. I'm still in shock...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: If Mc Cain Picked Mitt Romney as a V.P. Canadate, W... - 8/29/2008 2:49:00 PM
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Didn't mean to sound like I was criticizing. I know the two of you have been having quite a discussion for a while now. Go for it.
I'm also shocked, but pleasantly surprised McCain's choice of Sarah Palin. I think it's great. I've been hoping for months that she would be chosen, but I really didn't think it would happen.
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The business about Romney is all academic now, since McCain chose Sarah Palin. I'll feel much better about voting for him now.
-Dave
I agree that it's somewhat academic - I was just answering ljmac about McCain's history, and the aforementioned is part of his history.
I actually really like Palin - she's a great role model for women. I honestly did not think she'd have a chance. I'm still in shock...
Peace and God bless,
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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