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Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 6:50:15 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Teachers-t.html?pagewanted=1
Interesting article on the current state of educating teachers and how teacher training programs are inadequate and some possible ways in which to correct them. One of the underlying points is that merit pay and other bonuses won't necessarily do you any good if you don't know how to improve your teaching.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 9:18:54 AM
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How to build a better teacher:
1. Equip them - not just with content knowledge - that doesn't guarantee a good teacher. Equip them with classroom management skills, people skills, organizational skills, good work ethic
2. Help them tap into that intrinsic motivation and dedication to what is best for students - because that should be the bottom line
3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
4. If you have tenure, there should be regular tenure review evaluation for teachers who are tenured
5. Allow teachers to see a curriculum through until data can be collected and analyzed. Implementing the "next new thing" every single year isn't good for students or teachers. Period
6. Value them
7. Be open to the idea that some of us really do know what we are doing
8. Be open to the FACT that parents, administration, and unfunded mandates will have just as much impact on students as what the teacher does or doesn't do
9. Please let us do our jobs instead of blaming us for EVERYTHING. Or feel free to join me in my classroom
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 9:35:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: heremainsfaithful
How to build a better teacher:
1. Equip them - not just with content knowledge - that doesn't guarantee a good teacher. Equip them with classroom management skills, people skills, organizational skills, good work ethic
2. Help them tap into that intrinsic motivation and dedication to what is best for students - because that should be the bottom line
3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
4. If you have tenure, there should be regular tenure review evaluation for teachers who are tenured
5. Allow teachers to see a curriculum through until data can be collected and analyzed. Implementing the "next new thing" every single year isn't good for students or teachers. Period
6. Value them
7. Be open to the idea that some of us really do know what we are doing
8. Be open to the FACT that parents, administration, and unfunded mandates will have just as much impact on students as what the teacher does or doesn't do
9. Please let us do our jobs instead of blaming us for EVERYTHING. Or feel free to join me in my classroom
Well said.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 10:01:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: heremainsfaithful
How to build a better teacher:
1. Equip them - not just with content knowledge - that doesn't guarantee a good teacher. Equip them with classroom management skills, people skills, organizational skills, good work ethic
2. Help them tap into that intrinsic motivation and dedication to what is best for students - because that should be the bottom line
3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
4. If you have tenure, there should be regular tenure review evaluation for teachers who are tenured
5. Allow teachers to see a curriculum through until data can be collected and analyzed. Implementing the "next new thing" every single year isn't good for students or teachers. Period
6. Value them
7. Be open to the idea that some of us really do know what we are doing
8. Be open to the FACT that parents, administration, and unfunded mandates will have just as much impact on students as what the teacher does or doesn't do
9. Please let us do our jobs instead of blaming us for EVERYTHING. Or feel free to join me in my classroom
Did you read the article? If hit on #4, but focused almost entirely on #1. You might enjoy it.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 10:46:44 AM
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Yes, I love the things about #1. We actually filled out surveys in faculty meeting a few weeks ago asking us what WE wanted to see in a teacher prep program and what we saw that was lacking in these upcoming graduates/students. Our city system works closely with Auburn University to house lab students and interns every semester. If you look at statistics of problems with teachers, the fact that they didn't know enough of their content area is almost never the problem. They don't have enough working knowledge of how to teach that content or enough hands-on experience in actually doing it. And it's impossible to teach kids who are hanging from the ceiling, so classroom management is a must.
When I interned, the high school teacher I worked with basically said, "Glad you're here. Here's the stuff." And I became the teacher. It was frightening, but boy did I learn fast. My elementary cooperating teacher was better, but once she saw I had creative ideas and could handle the kids, she pretty much just sat in the back. Now, with all the liability, an intern is almost never completely in charge of the class, even during that two weeks where she/he is supposed to be the sole teacher. As a parent of school-age kids, I can understand that, but they do have to learn with real kids in real situations at some point. And don't even get me started with these "online colleges" that offer teaching degrees. How on earth do you learn how to be a teacher online????
When I was in school, which is longer ago than I would like to admit, there was pretty much this understanding that the teacher was in charge, and the teacher was to be respected. Somehow that has changed, and I know it isn't all due to bad teachers. When you ask someone to sit down, stop talking, etc. and they ignore you, so you move them, and they talk louder, so you tell them they need to go to time out, and they say, "so what?" then you tell them you will be taking them to the office and they say, "I don't care. I'll just call my mama," it's hard to do your job. It only takes 2-3 of these students in a class to disrupt learning. So there are definitely things besides "Does the teacher know enough about algebra" to address.
Now, I do want to point out that I LOVE my job. I cannot imagine not being with these kids every day. They are amazing, even the "stinkers"  But sometimes it's just hard, like any other job out there.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 12:02:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: heremainsfaithful
How to build a better teacher:
1. Equip them - not just with content knowledge - that doesn't guarantee a good teacher. Equip them with classroom management skills, people skills, organizational skills, good work ethic
All of the above things depend on the individual. Just as in any job, you will have good and bad. Keep the good get rid of the bad this cannot be judged by test scores alone.
2. Help them tap into that intrinsic motivation and dedication to what is best for students - because that should be the bottom line
A teacher that is in the classroom because it is a job that works best for his/her schedule or it is the "only thing they could find now" (and yes I have heard that) will not care about this one way or the other but kudos to those of you who do and HRF I know there are 9 out of 10 who do.
3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
This should be the teachers responsiblity NOT the schools. In any other profession, if you want to get more training in your profession you go out and get it, you pay for it yourself in most cases unless you work in a large corporation. Why do teachers and educators think that this should come at tax payer expense? That money should go into the classroom to our children.
4. If you have tenure, there should be regular tenure review evaluation for teachers who are tenured
Tenure should be abolished and educators should be evaluated yearly on merit, not state mandated test scores. If they are doing their jobs they should get a contract for the next school year, if not then they should not be renewed. It works in our charter school and we have some of the best teachers in the state. We have teachers relocate here from other states, too.
5. Allow teachers to see a curriculum through until data can be collected and analyzed. Implementing the "next new thing" every single year isn't good for students or teachers. Period
I have never understood districts that do this. 
6. Value them
I place a high value on our teachers and what they do. I know their jobs are not easy. They are in the trenches everyday with kids from every socio-economic background. Some have a passion for it but some are just passing time. I love those who have a passion for what they are doing and you can pick them out before the end of the first quarter of the school year. The hand full of others, kind of just ruin it for the rest.
DD1 had a group project, the rule is that the project must be turned in on the day it is due or you get a zero. Her partner was out sick and the other parent did not bring the project in.  DD was beside herself about it because it would have brought her grade from a low A to a C in the class, an AP History class.
I emailed the teacher and said, "Will M be penalized for the project? I know the rule and will accept whatever you decide but I need to prepare my child. We are behind your decision 100% because I know why the rule is the way it is." The teacher did not give my daughter a zero although, I would have accepted it and supported her decision to my child.
7. Be open to the idea that some of us really do know what we are doing
DD has another teacher that has a bad name with the kids, I kept telling her not to judge her by what everyone says. DD has now decided that this teacher is one of her favorites.
8. Be open to the FACT that parents, administration, and unfunded mandates will have just as much impact on students as what the teacher does or doesn't do.
Teachers and administration need to be open to the fact that parents should have just as much if not more impact on their children. I had an administrator tell me that he knew my child better than I did because he was with him more hours in the day. I don't think so.
9. Please let us do our jobs instead of blaming us for EVERYTHING. Or feel free to join me in my classroom
I have never blamed a teacher for everything but really get tired of teachers (don't take it personally) complaining about parents all the time. Parents come with the students. We, most of us anyway, are not going to drop them off at the door and let the state raise them. I do "join in the classroom". I am on the Band Boosters board, PTSA, and etc. I volunteered over 50 hours in Feb. at 2 schools. I am an active parent in my children's schooling, I know the teachers and their peers. When my kids do not do well, I know if it is the teacher or if it is the child.
DD had a math teacher last year that was not the strongest in her subject area but she moved down a grade level and is now teaching DS and is AWESOME. We love her and she is really great with him. Sometimes it is just a simple thing that makes all the difference.
But do I blame the teacher because DD need Algebra II tutoring in high school, a little bit. But also DD should have spoken up last year to say she was not understanding all the concepts. She got an A in the Algebra I, how was that? But to me the blame falls on both of them and the administration, they knew that this teacher was not strong in the subject (the subject area leader shares a carpool with me) but they had lost two language arts teachers in the grade level and decided to put out that fire first. This this the top middle school in our district, if we can have these problems I can only imagine what is out there in the other schools.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 12:36:02 PM
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You make some very very good points onecoolmom. The vast, vast majority of parents of our students are amazing. Even if they don't have time to volunteer, they are supportive. They want to know what their kids are learning, which any teacher worth their salt should appreciate. Then there are the ones who drop them off 15 minutes before the doors are supposed to be opened, and you have to track them down after pickup in the afternoon. The ones who write an irate letter to the board because their child didn't win the art contest. Unfortunately, I guess kind of like teachers, those parents can sort of ruin it for the rest.
Regarding professional development, this usually applies to new curriculum. The state adopts a whole new way of doing things....they should train you how to do it. Especially if teachers are going to be held accountable for it through test scores that year. If you want to learn how to integrate the arts into your classroom, for example, there are any number of workshops out there, and if a teacher can't pay for it there are usually grants.
I have mixed feelings about tenure. A teacher who is not doing her job should not be allowed to stick around. Then again, for speciality areas like music, if you aren't tenured, any time the budget is in question, you can be booted. And if a teacher has a disability covered under ADA, for example, tenure can also protect them.
I remember reading a forward one time about dentistry, and how dentists need to be doing a better job of keeping people from getting cavities. They need to find a more creative way to help people clean their teeth. And if they don't know how to clean their teeth they need to go over to the person's house and clean their teeth for them. And their patients should be tested on whether or not they know the correct brushing technique. And dentists' pay should be cut for every cavity their patients have. And by the time they are in third grade, all of their patients should be cavity free regardless of how often they brush their teeth at home, what they eat, etc. It was an obvious poke at No Child Left Behind, but it does make a point.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 12:44:14 PM
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3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
This should be the teachers responsiblity NOT the schools. In any other profession, if you want to get more training in your profession you go out and get it, you pay for it yourself in most cases unless you work in a large corporation. Why do teachers and educators think that this should come at tax payer expense? That money should go into the classroom to our children.
Nonsense. Lots of companies of all sizes provide education reimbursement and professional development resources of one form or another, particularly when employees are expected to keep up with current trends and best-practices.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 12:50:37 PM
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Do our education system as we would run a business (to get the best results).
Eliminate tenure, install merit pay, fire teachers who do not sucessfully teach the children, and reward those who do teach the children.
All the stuff about better prep etc. is good, but as long as the above in not in place; it reall just does not matter.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:15:54 PM
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So....how do you know a teacher has successfully taught children? That is the key question. is it just about the math of five random days of testing?
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:16:16 PM
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How to build a better teacher:
3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
7. Be open to the idea that some of us really do know what we are doing
8. Be open to the FACT that parents, administration, and unfunded mandates will have just as much impact on students as what the teacher does or doesn't do
9. Please let us do our jobs instead of blaming us for EVERYTHING. Or feel free to join me in my classroom
Those are my favorites. Before my wife quit teaching in Texas, she witnessed a complete deprofessionalization of her job. From 1994-1997, she received tons of professional training, adminstrative support, and career development opportunities. She had flexibility in how she implemented the curriculum in her classroom, and could make sure that at-risk kids got the support they needed.
When we returned in 1998-2001, that changed. It became a recipe-driven concept - follow this curriculum to the letter with no deviations and we can force-feed the information to kids. Very little support was offered, no flexibility, no professional developement. She felt like she was just a loudspeaker and test administrator for some nameless curriculum beaurocrat. When we moved in 2001, she quit teaching. It just wasn't worth it. 12 hour days for $36k/year and very little recognition for what she accomplished. She taught in a school that had low test scores due to 50% of the kids being on free & reduced lunch. No one cared that her students improved their scores year over year when in her class.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:18:28 PM
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So....how do you know a teacher has successfully taught children? That is the key question. is it just about the math of five random days of testing?
Testing is good.
The only problem with testing is all the time spent on preparation for the test, instead of learning.
Testing should also be done before a child is advanced to a higher grade; they don't pass, they don't advance.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:26:38 PM
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So....how do you know a teacher has successfully taught children? That is the key question. is it just about the math of five random days of testing?
Testing is good.
The only problem with testing is all the time spent on preparation for the test, instead of learning.
Testing should also be done before a child is advanced to a higher grade; they don't pass, they don't advance.
Thanks
RC
Testing IS good. The only other problems are:
1) We don't interpret the test results correctly and misuse the statistics that they provide
2) We make the stakes of a very small set of tests too high.
Combined, it sets up a very poor set of incentives. We teach to the test, eliminate non-tested portions of the curriculum, dumb down the tests, and make inferences that some schools are subperforming when actually they actually are doing a phenominal job given the population they are dealing with. (Or conversely, like my son's school, the school thinks it's doing a phenominal job when really they are underperforming relative to other schools with smaller class sizes that draw from similar populations.)
I'm not against testing at all, but I think we should use a variety of measures and interpret the results in a statistically sound manner that accounts for socio-economic factors. What me measure today is point in time academic performance. If you want to measure real educator performance, you would look at changes in performance metrics over time from within similar socio-economic populations.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:33:41 PM
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Testing IS good. The only other problems are:
1) We don't interpret the test results correctly and misuse the statistics that they provide
2) We make the stakes of a very small set of tests too high.
So make the test more comprhensive, and the scoring to reflect whether the student truly understands the subjects or not.
Then either pass or fail them, and reward the teachers or fire them.
I lay a lot of the problems that we have with our schools on the teacher unions, but probably more of the Federal Department of Education.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:39:13 PM
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We begin standardized testing on March 24th. Today -- all day, the classes have been divided into small groups so the principal can talk to them about test taking strategies. The reading series we use has tests designed to be like the bubble-in testing. Students practice writing out how they got their answers in math tests to prepare for a state math test. The students will spend approximately 10-12 hours in testing over several days -- all multiple choice questions. No essay, no writing, no higher order thinking skills (which is what you REALLY need to succeed in a career.) Then those tests will be publicized and school will be given a "grade" on the state web site based on them. No demographics, no student-teacher ratio. Just, this school gets a D because these were their scores. Never mind that it is in a very dangerous and poor district with a high drop out rate and 1/3 of the kids' with incarcerated parents, etc. Oh, and that school got an A. They also have every latest advance, a hugh local tax base, and 15 kids per class. Most families have a stay at home parent who spend 20 hours a week at the school.
There's more to consider than "If'n that teacher taught right, these kids would learn right."
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:46:11 PM
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We begin standardized testing on March 24th. Today -- all day, the classes have been divided into small groups so the principal can talk to them about test taking strategies. The reading series we use has tests designed to be like the bubble-in testing. Students practice writing out how they got their answers in math tests to prepare for a state math test. The students will spend approximately 10-12 hours in testing over several days -- all multiple choice questions. No essay, no writing, no higher order thinking skills (which is what you REALLY need to succeed in a career.) Then those tests will be publicized and school will be given a "grade" on the state web site based on them. No demographics, no student-teacher ratio. Just, this school gets a D because these were their scores. Never mind that it is in a very dangerous and poor district with a high drop out rate and 1/3 of the kids' with incarcerated parents, etc. Oh, and that school got an A. They also have every latest advance, a hugh local tax base, and 15 kids per class. Most families have a stay at home parent who spend 20 hours a week at the school.
There's more to consider than "If'n that teacher taught right, these kids would learn right."
Is the purpose of Public Schools to educate the children, or run a social service system of some sort.
If they don't pass the tests, they do not advance.
And the teachers need to know that the children learning is good for the teacher, and the children not learning is bad for the teacher.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:49:56 PM
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Get rid of the teacher's union.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 1:57:23 PM
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Regarding professional development, this usually applies to new curriculum. The state adopts a whole new way of doing things....they should train you how to do it.
This makes 100% sense to me.
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3. Allow them opportunity for ongoing professional development even after they start teaching
This should be the teachers responsiblity NOT the schools. In any other profession, if you want to get more training in your profession you go out and get it, you pay for it yourself in most cases unless you work in a large corporation. Why do teachers and educators think that this should come at tax payer expense? That money should go into the classroom to our children.
Nonsense. Lots of companies of all sizes provide education reimbursement and professional development resources of one form or another, particularly when employees are expected to keep up with current trends and best-practices.
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Some but not all and it certainly is not expected as a "perk" of the job. And as it was clarifed above I agree in some circumstances.
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Eliminate tenure, install merit pay, fire teachers who do not sucessfully teach the children, and reward those who do teach the children.
Two thumbs up, in agreement. Our charter school gives 1 yr contracts, period. As stated we have some of the best teachers in the state. WE do have the best test scores in the county for the past 5 yrs in math, science and reading compared to our traditional school counterparts plus we do it with less money. And no we do not have just the smart kids either because we have to do a blind lottery for entry. We have had kids that we "D/F" students in the school a mile away and they are passing at our school. It is the school model and the teachers that make the difference.  (That is as close to cheering as I can get.)
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The only problem with testing is all the time spent on preparation for the test, instead of learning.
This is where schools have gotten messed up with testing and I blame the districts on this. Teaching to the test. Again, our charter school doesn't do this. Their model teaches the old fashion way, if you teach the basics the kids will know what they need to know when it is time for the test. As stated above it works. The only exception is state mandated tutoring of students who tested below a certain level and that is done after school with only those kids. Others are invited if they feel they need it.
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We begin standardized testing on March 24th.
We begin on Tuesday, but we have closed campus all week to get in test mode that is our only prep. Other than last month the state had them do 45-90 prep tests for two days. Which means the kids cannot have appointments all week. That's it. DS has a broken arm and needs to be seen Monday, he got a waiver on the closed campus due to not actually having a test that day; I'll pick him up between classes to make it less of a disruption for everyone else. 
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 2:28:50 PM
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Do we need to get rid of preachers if not every member is saved or get rid of doctors because not every patient is well?
I have a really nice classroom if someone would like to come sub for me until May. I need to go. My blood pressure is high, and it's all my doctor's fault.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 2:46:30 PM
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Testing IS good. The only other problems are:
1) We don't interpret the test results correctly and misuse the statistics that they provide
2) We make the stakes of a very small set of tests too high.
So make the test more comprhensive,
That's a starting point. I would argue however that rather than one more comprehensive test, you actually need a comprehensive test plus other markers of performance that don't necessarily show up on tests.
Making the test more comprehensive still would leave you with a single high-stakes test. That introduces a whole range of counterproductive behaviors and actually can change the vailidity of the test itself. Broadening the parameters of what is observed beyond just test statistics would be a good thing. Incorporating a couple of different tests of different designs would be a good thing (although obviously you are limited in how many tests you can give. Better though to give several smaller ones than one big high-stakes version.)
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 3:05:43 PM
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Do we need to get rid of preachers if not every member is saved or get rid of doctors because not every patient is well?
Heremains, I understand where you are coming from. One of the problems with these things in my opinion is that we really have to ask whether these tests reflect the performance of the teacher or the performance of the student, many seem to miss that. for instance, although i am a fairly smart individual, i don't comprehend and remember things well if i dont see them as important. When i took those reading comprehension tests in school i always did below grade level, yet i got high marks in my classes, should the teacher be punished for that? Something else i think people forget is people move around. If I come from another city to a new city, and I test that year and fail (or a lot of kids fail) then why is the teacher at fault?
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 3:10:55 PM
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My husband was a teacher and he dropped out when he said that the system gave the classroom to the students.
It is not about a teacher's credentials as they are equipped, it is about a students willingness to learn.
I find it redundant that they have a 'special class' not to be confused with special education for rebellious students.
They take them to the park, allow them to hang out, shoot pool, play other games and then graduate them. Pulease
They do not need to restruct teachers, they need to restruct their system and allow teachers control of their classroom.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 4:28:42 PM
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Do we need to get rid of preachers if not every member is saved
Scripture says that Preachers (Leadership) will have to give and account for the souls of those that the preacher has the care over;
(Heb 13:17) Yield to those leading you, and be submissive, for they watch for your souls, as those who must give account, that they may do it with joy and not with grief; for that is unprofitable for you.
Teachers do not have to give account for their failures. And that is a shame.
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 4:59:18 PM
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Do we need to get rid of preachers if not every member is saved
Scripture says that Preachers (Leadership) will have to give and account for the souls of those that the preacher has the care over;
(Heb 13:17) Yield to those leading you, and be submissive, for they watch for your souls, as those who must give account, that they may do it with joy and not with grief; for that is unprofitable for you.
Teachers do not have to give account for their failures. And that is a shame.
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That doesn't make any sense at all. How will teachers be held any less accountable for that they did than you will for what you did at that point in time?
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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/5/2010 5:08:40 PM
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Trust me,teachers are held accountable. And not just the bad ones. Every time a new article comes out saying the education is failing because of teachers. Every time an entire faculty is fired because of test scores. Every time someone who raises two or three or five kids thinks that makes them an expert on what a person with 30 kids should do. Teachers are more accountable than any doctor, lawyer, preacher, banker, store clerk, or housekeeper I know, at least in this world.
There are some excellent teachers in this world, teachers who give their hearts to these kids every single day. Teachers who go up to the school every weekend and all through the summer to work and plan. Teachers who spend afternoons helping struggling students without extra pay - they don't expect extra pay. And lumping them i with the statistically small minority who don't s cruel. Yes, deal with those bad teachers who don't seem to care. But most of aren't like that. I will never apologize for being a teacher -- ever. And I will never turn a blind eye to one who doesn't belong in the profession. I will also not be quiet when teachers in general re vilified.
If your school systems are that bad, then why not get to know those teachers. Ask them how you can help. Volunteer. Heck, go back and get certified; maybe you can do better. Criticizing an entire segment of the population who have a heart for kids will not solve the problem.
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