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Repentance - 7/4/2010 5:01:26 AM
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Nyamache
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At least God changed His mind about the Israelites. I think this is a clear indication that repentance is a continuous process and that God is willing to forgive our sins. This only happens if we approach Him sincerely and ask for forgiveness. What are your thoughts about this? quote:
Exodus 32:11-14 But Moses implored the Lord his God, and said, ‘O Lord, why does your wrath burn hot against your people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians say, “It was with evil intent that he brought them out to kill them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth”? Turn from your fierce wrath; change your mind and do not bring disaster on your people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, how you swore to them by your own self, saying to them, “I will multiply your descendants like the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have promised I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it for ever.” ’ 14 And the Lord changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 9:25:36 AM
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drmark
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Let's not get into issues of "God changing His mind" or this thread will be shut down quicker than you can say "open theism"... Yes, I agree that repentance must be an attitude of the heart that recognizes wrong behavior, expresses true sorrow for disobeying God, asks contritely for forgiveness, and wills to never do it again. I do not really understand how these responses make repentance a "continuous process". Would you please expand on this concept of continuing repentance, Nyamache?
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 10:11:59 AM
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MysterySolved
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ORIGINAL: Nyamache At least God changed His mind about the Israelites. I think this is a clear indication that repentance is a continuous process and that God is willing to forgive our sins. This only happens if we approach Him sincerely and ask for forgiveness. What are your thoughts about this? My thought is that not only is God willing to forgive us, but that He has done so through the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross. Our forgiveness is a gift of God in Christ Jesus. It is not something that we need to continually ask for over and over again, it is a fact that we need to acknowledge and accept with a thankful heart. Repentance is best defined as a change of mind that leads to a change of action. Repentance is not a human "work" or achievement, but rather the process of the "renewing of the mind" in which we allow for the grace-prompting of God unto repentance. And yes, there is a continued necessity for decisive repentance, the change of mind and action concerning our pride, prejudices, self-protection, false identities, etc. It is part of our living by faith in Christ. Repentance and faith are interdependent upon the other, the use of one implies the other. There is no faith without repentance, and there is no repentance without faith, they are two sides of one coin.
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 5:59:38 PM
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My thought is that not only is God willing to forgive us, but that He has done so through the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross. Our forgiveness is a gift of God in Christ Jesus. It is not something that we need to continually ask for over and over again, it is a fact that we need to acknowledge and accept with a thankful heart. Repentance is best defined as a change of mind that leads to a change of action. Repentance is not a human "work" or achievement, but rather the process of the "renewing of the mind" in which we allow for the grace-prompting of God unto repentance. And yes, there is a continued necessity for decisive repentance, the change of mind and action concerning our pride, prejudices, self-protection, false identities, etc. It is part of our living by faith in Christ. Repentance and faith are interdependent upon the other, the use of one implies the other. There is no faith without repentance, and there is no repentance without faith, they are two sides of one coin. Very well put. Those from a holiness tradition may not agree that there should be a continued necessity for repentance, but there is already an extensive discussion on that topic elsewhere.
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 6:56:02 PM
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drmark
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Repentance is best defined as a change of mind that leads to a change of action. Repentance is not a human "work" or achievement, but rather the process of the "renewing of the mind" in which we allow for the grace-prompting of God unto repentance. And yes, there is a continued necessity for decisive repentance, the change of mind and action concerning our pride, prejudices, self-protection, false identities, etc. If God has graciously changed our minds to change our actions, then why should there be a continued necessity for repentance in the already renewed mind?
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 7:46:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: drmark quote:
Repentance is best defined as a change of mind that leads to a change of action. Repentance is not a human "work" or achievement, but rather the process of the "renewing of the mind" in which we allow for the grace-prompting of God unto repentance. And yes, there is a continued necessity for decisive repentance, the change of mind and action concerning our pride, prejudices, self-protection, false identities, etc. If God has graciously changed our minds to change our actions, then why should there be a continued necessity for repentance in the already renewed mind? The renewing of our minds is an ongoing process, not a one time event.
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 8:01:16 PM
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drmark
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That's not how I read 1 Cor 2:16. The verse does not say, "But we are progressively obtaining the mind of Christ". It states we have the mind of Christ right now. Similarly, Phil 2:5 says to let this mind of Christ be in us right now. It does not state "Let Christ's mind be in you through an ongoing process". Renewal is an event with a fixed point of occurrence. What would someone be continually repenting for if this were a process?
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 8:19:24 PM
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MysterySolved
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ORIGINAL: drmark That's not how I read 1 Cor 2:16. The verse does not say, "But we are progressively obtaining the mind of Christ". It states we have the mind of Christ right now. Similarly, Phil 2:5 says to let this mind of Christ be in us right now. It does not state "Let Christ's mind be in you through an ongoing process". Renewal is an event with a fixed point of occurrence. What would someone be continually repenting for if this were a process? We have the mind of Christ. It is now His thoughts which need to become our thoughts. That is a continual process, and for a continual process of change to occur, continual change is required. Or do you believe that you have already attained to perfection?
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RE: Repentance - 7/4/2010 8:26:41 PM
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drmark
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Or do you believe that you have already attained to perfection? Depends on your definition of "perfection". This is not the thread to discuss the concept, however. Let's try this way. What is the purpose or goal of repentance?
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