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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/13/2010 12:17:34 PM
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LOL!! I just had to jump in. I'm a woman so I would say, Girl, shave those legs! you look like Amazon woman!! LOL!!! Oh, the things we do for society . Actually, I kinda admire her for not shaving. I hate having to do something to my body b/c society says so. To not shave or trim or pluck or color!! What a dream come true. sigh . . .
This made me laugh out loud!!!
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/13/2010 1:27:31 PM
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If you can't be with her because she doesn't shave her legs, why on Earth would you want to marry her? Are the pleasing attributes of her personality and looks all combined insufficient in surpassing something as completely minor as leg hair? This would be like a woman not wanting to marry you because you get stubble. Stop fretting over pointless little nuances of her body (natural also, I should say, because you too have "gross" leg hair), aknowledge you don't really love her, and move on.
Every woman on this Earth was born with leg hair. If she is to conform with the media-infiltrated social requirements of today, she will have to shave every day to avoid stubble. It's costly, painful and very time-consuming.
I really got the sense that since your divorce you have been on the look out for a new wife, perhaps desperately. Just let it come naturally.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/13/2010 2:19:11 PM
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Every woman on this Earth was born with leg hair. If she is to conform with the media-infiltrated social requirements of today, she will have to shave every day to avoid stubble. It's costly, painful and very time-consuming.
Not every woman has to shave every day. I probably shave every three or four days. I borrow my husband's razor, so it doesn't cost me a thing.  I don't find it painful or time-consuming, either.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/13/2010 2:31:07 PM
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If she is to conform with the media-infiltrated social requirements of today, she will have to shave every day to avoid stubble. It's costly, painful and very time-consuming.
It's not painful, costly, or time-consuming for me. I shave every other day or so during the summer and a little less often during the winter. Takes about 5-10 minutes of my time and I re-use razors until they stop shaving as well. And it doesn't hurt unless I nick myself which is very, very rare.
It's not just "media-infiltrated social requirements of today" because it's been a grooming habit for most women since the 1920's when the skirts started getting shorter and more leg was being shown.
Shaving whatever was considered undesirable hair in a given society, whether it be the head or underarms or legs, has been around since the caveman days.
I thought some of you might find THIS article interesting.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/15/2010 7:44:26 AM
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The most common objection to shaving is based on the "fact" that a cultural custom has come between the man's love for the beauty of a woman as God created her.
Smell a dog's breath. Smell a baby's breath. Smell a cat's breath. Smell a horse's breath. Bacteria that cause bad breath were, in this model, created by God to NATURALLY DWELL ON THE TEETH AND TONGUE OF ALL ANIMALS. Find one animal whose breath smells like artificial spearmint. But what does yours smell like before work? Ah. But you can't stop brushing, that would be so gross! And really, its nothing like shaving. It's a cultural norm that God endorses.
I see.
Further, even the staunchest creationist can make no objection to the fact that micro evolution is happening to humans on an hourly basis. Every time a woman finds someone who is 6'2" more attractive than someone who is much shorter, say, 5'1," she changes the course of human biology. In theory, the most successful males should, all things being equal, attract the most successful females (again, these are both cultural distinctions, not God's distinctions), and raise the most successful offspring, and on and on it goes, with the culture shaping the human body. My brother is 6'6". Today, he's considered pretty tall. In the 1700's, he'd probably have made it into a catalog of prodigious births by being a foot and a half taller than average. Woman caused that shift, not God.
Christian women, of course, love all Christian men the way God made them, just like Christian men love all Christian women the way God made them. It's just that women tend to love the Christian man God made a tall, muscular, Medical Doctor who loves kids a little more than they love the Christian man God made a short, fat, telemarketer with adult acne. The doctor, on the flip side, loves all Christian woman as God made them, but he tends to love a Christian woman with shaved legs more than one without, since he's been programmed as an American, for better or worse, by whose hand it matters not at all, to understand that a woman with shaved legs is the kind of woman a good looking, successful man marries, whereas a hairy woman, who THE AMERICAN CULTURE (not God, not me, don't shoot) says is less desirable, should be left to less desirable men. As the Doctor's children are raised with a competitive advantage because of his money and the culture's view that he was better looking than the telemarketer, his kids are theoretically more successful and beautiful and have more kids than the telemarketer with much more beautiful and successful women than the telemarketer's kids, and soon human beings look different for the choice of a Christian man and a Christian woman.
Both sexes make decisions like this every time they have sex with someone, and anyone, man or woman, who claims otherwise is an out-and-out liar. because of this, virtually any trait on the human body, from breast size to nose size to eye placement and shape, is malleable over time. Read that again: what people are claiming is a total creation of God is actually formed in some part by the decisions of human beings. The fact that your body isn't carpeted with nearly as much hair as your head is a result of the exact same process. Because of that, it's not a matter of God's ways vs man's ways if a man wants a woman to look a certain way (unless that look causes sexual immorality, like going topless through New York City), or the reverse. It's a matter of the preferences of the individual. A man should be happy that if a woman wants a clean shave in her mate; it can be done in 25 minutes in a common bathroom with an instrument that costs six dollars. The same way with shaved legs in a woman. If the man or woman said that they were only interested in a mate who was 4 inches taller or 3 inches bustier than the person they were talking to, that would be different, because they would be disqualifying the other person immediately unless they were willing to undergo radical surgery. The tough part is that most men, even if they marry a woman who is a little heavy, wouldn't say no to her being a bit thinner, a bit better groomed, etc. Because these are changes we can make to improve the lives of our mates, we should.
The poll in He Says provides an interesting contrast to the one in Women Only on this issue, but aside from that should confirm, for whatever reason, virtually no man born in the United States is wild about a woman with hairy legs. If a woman won't shave she is not evil. She's doing nothing wrong. But she should be ready for the backlash, which may very well be marrying a foreigner with different precepts, as some pro-hair women on this forum have done, or the proverbial telemarketer I mentioned earlier. Just don't claim that a lack of love or a mean spirit in men is at the root of this. Women who think men are mean spirited and evil for forcing this cultural precept on women should ask the telemarketer about all the love and magnanimity in women's culturally driven aesthetic preferences. Just watch out you don't whack him with the plank sticking out of your own eyes when you do.
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PS: I know my selection example didn't take into account dysgenic pressure from uneducated people having more children with more partners than educated and successful people in the modern era.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/15/2010 8:22:43 AM
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Ross, I usually skim long posts but this one is well thought out and to the point. Thank you for adding even more flavor to a surprisingly active discussion.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/15/2010 10:04:21 PM
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If I was single and seriously dating a guy who otherwise found me appealing, but had a problem if I didn't shave my legs, I'd just prefer he ask me about it. Truthfully, it's a little thing to me(not like he's asking for a personality or figure change) and even if I saw no need for myself, I'd be willing to make the compromise and shave, if the relationship turned into marriage...as long as we were just dating, I'd see no need. Maybe it's a little thing to her too and she's just never had someone prefer she shave them. Or maybe she'd say "no way, it is what is is, take it or leave it"! I think it's at least worth discussing, but only when and if the relationship is seriously heading towards permanency.
I do lots of little things with my appearance for my husband, not because he demands or even asks, just because I know it's his personal preference. He loves me no matter what, but why not do something small to please him? That doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me. But, I will admit to having very little leg hair at all, so shaving may be a much bigger job for some than I am aware of!
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If I was single and seriously dating a guy who otherwise found me appealing, but had a problem if I didn't shave my legs, I'd just prefer he ask me about it. Truthfully, it's a little thing to me(not like he's asking for a personality or figure change) and even if I saw no need for myself, I'd be willing to make the compromise and shave, if the relationship turned into marriage...as long as we were just dating, I'd see no need. Maybe it's a little thing to her too and she's just never had someone prefer she shave them. Or maybe she'd say "no way, it is what is is, take it or leave it"! I think it's at least worth discussing, but only when and if the relationship is seriously heading towards permanency.
I do lots of little things with my appearance for my husband, not because he demands or even asks, just because I know it's his personal preference. He loves me no matter what, but why not do something small to please him? That doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me. But, I will admit to having very little leg hair at all, so shaving may be a much bigger job for some than I am aware of!
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Amen! I agree totally! I think it would be so unfair to not ask her and just let her go, especially if you are compatible in a lot of other ways. It may not bother her at all to do it just to please you.
If she is not willing to do it, and its her right to decide, then she is probably the wrong gal for you.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 2:16:16 PM
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The most common objection to shaving is based on the "fact" that a cultural custom has come between the man's love for the beauty of a woman as God created her.
Smell a dog's breath. Smell a baby's breath. Smell a cat's breath. Smell a horse's breath. Bacteria that cause bad breath were, in this model, created by God to NATURALLY DWELL ON THE TEETH AND TONGUE OF ALL ANIMALS. Find one animal whose breath smells like artificial spearmint. But what does yours smell like before work? Ah. But you can't stop brushing, that would be so gross! And really, its nothing like shaving. It's a cultural norm that God endorses.
Good post, Ross. Very interesting... This part ^^ especially stood out to me. I've been thinking about this a lot lately and have been wondering where do we draw the line when trying to be "naturally beautiful just the way God made us" without being offensive to those around us?
I would think the op's "friend" would at least be understanding if he asks her about shaving because most women realize that most American men are accustomed to women who shave their legs.
Edited for punctuation.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 3:08:48 PM
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I am curious how most of us would feel in the opposite situation...
How would you react if he were unhappy with the fact that she shaved, and wanted her to NOT shave?
What would most of the women here do if their husbands asked them to quit shaving their legs for him... It is a small thing afterall, and it would actually require less work...
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 9:25:32 PM
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How would you react if he were unhappy with the fact that she shaved, and wanted her to NOT shave?
Does this scenario even happen in this culture?
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 9:29:29 PM
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How would you react if he were unhappy with the fact that she shaved, and wanted her to NOT shave?
Does this scenario even happen in this culture?
I'm sure it doesn't since hair on a woman's legs is dirty and hair on men's legs is....strong and manly. 
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 9:47:39 PM
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Well, I tell you what, I saw a man with shaved legs the other day and it was downright creepy. Of course his groomed eyebrows, the glitter in his hair, and his rainbow necklace didn't help.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 9:54:10 PM
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So leg hair on a woman, according to our "culture" is dirty, gross and poor hygeine. Shaved legs on a guy is creepy and odd.
Sorry, not sure how hair on a man's legs is preferred while hair on a woman's legs are gross and dirty. I don't buy into the double standard. There is no eternal or moral ramifications to shaving/not shaving your legs. It is a personal preference about your body and nobody, not even your spouce or potential spouce, should pressure you to change that.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 10:00:00 PM
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So leg hair on a woman, according to our "culture" is dirty, gross and poor hygeine. Shaved legs on a guy is creepy and odd.
Sorry, not sure how hair on a man's legs is preferred while hair on a woman's legs are gross and dirty. I don't buy into the double standard. There is no eternal or moral ramifications to shaving/not shaving your legs. It is a personal preference about your body and nobody, not even your spouce or potential spouce, should pressure you to change that.
It's just a cultural thing. Whether or not anyone agrees with it, that's how the majority of our culture sees it.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 10:17:42 PM
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It's just a cultural thing. Whether or not anyone agrees with it, that's how the majority of our culture sees it.
So what? Who cares? I doubt God cares who shaves their legs and who does not. It has no eternal implications and I don't understand how it can be a deal breaker for a relationship. If I were the lady in question here and I knew that I could be kicked to the curb for something as not shaving legs, I'd walk away. How are things going to go later in the relationship if something like unshaved legs is a potential deal breaker?
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 10:40:36 PM
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If I don't brush my teeth, keep them clean, and keep the bacteria under control, they will develop cavities. It is not an issue of beauty. It's health.
If I don't shave my legs....I will develop a horrible disease? Nope.
Apples and oranges.
There's one problem: it isn't true. If you could kick your uber artificial diet of pasta, cereal, milk, chocolate, and whatever else you enjoy and eat a diet of undressed green vegetables and red meat, you wouldn't have great breath, but you would get very few cavities, certainly no more than one or two every ten years, and possibly none if you have strong enamel. Therefore, the act of brushing only prevents disease because our culture pushed you into a highly unnatural diet which provides a heaven on earth for bacterial metabolism. The act of shaving only attracts mates because the culture already pushed you into a highly unnatural position where you modify your outward appearance to attract mates.
Apples and apples.
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There is no eternal or moral ramifications to shaving/not shaving your legs. It is a personal preference about your body and nobody, not even your spouce or potential spouce, should pressure you to change that.
Like I said before, its your call, but that may very well mean marrying a foreigner who doesn't care about it, or a less desirable man who doesn't have the confidence or means to attract a more culturally savvy mate.
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o what? Who cares? I doubt God cares who shaves their legs and who does not. It has no eternal implications and I don't understand how it can be a deal breaker for a relationship.
Take time to read the post I made before this one (I know it's long). The way it can be a deal breaker is plain as day.
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RE: I Like Her but She Doesn't Shave Her Legs - 8/16/2010 11:15:50 PM
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